eml on, vcds scan, ideas please!

[birdiemachine]

Evening gentlemen,

Eml came on today on my rs4.

See full VCDS scan below,

Monday,04,May,2015,00:09:09:23737
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator
VCDS Version: 14.10.1.1 (x64)
Data version: 20150130



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Chassis Type: 8E (8E - Audi A4/S4/RS4 B6/B7 (2001 > 2008))
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 0F 11 15 16 17 18 25 36 37 45 46 55 56 57 65
67 69 75 76 77


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Address 01: Engine Labels: 079-910-560-BNS1.lbl
Part No SW: 8E1 910 560 HW: 8E1 907 560
Component: 4.2L V8/4V FSI ª0080
Revision: --H15--- Serial number: XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Coding: 01040003180F0160
Shop #: WSC 66565 257 00032
VCID: 63CF803BA2090139132-8036

1 Fault Found:
008584 - Bank 1; System too Rich at Idle
P2188 - 008 - - Intermittent - MIL ON
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 10101000
Fault Priority: 0
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 255
Mileage: 106610 km
Time Indication: 0

Freeze Frame:
RPM: 779 /min
Load: 12.9 %
Speed: 0.0 km/h
Temperature: 90.0*C
Temperature: 25.0*C
Absolute Pres.: 1000.0 mbar
Voltage: 13.843 V

Readiness: 0000 1000

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Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 8E0-910-517.clb
Part No SW: 8E0 910 517 G HW: 8E0 614 517 BD
Component: ESP8 quattro H06 0150
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 00000000000000
Coding: 0004533
Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
VCID: 2B5F281B8A598979EB2-807E

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 8E0-820-043.lbl
Part No: 8E0 820 043 BM
Component: A4 Klimaautomat 3233
Coding: 00000
Shop #: WSC 00000
VCID: 6DDBE60327CD4749B56-5122

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. Labels: 8E0-907-279-8EC.lbl
Part No: 8E0 907 279 N
Component: int. Lastmodul ECE 0907
Coding: 00021
Shop #: WSC 06335
VCID: 3D7B1643372D17C9456-4AEA

No fault code found.

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Address 11: Engine II Labels: 079-910-560-BNS2.lbl
Part No SW: 8E1 910 560 HW: 8E1 907 560
Component: 4.2L V8/4V FSI ª0080
Revision: --H15--- Serial number: XXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Coding: 01040003180F0160
Shop #: WSC 66565 257 00032
VCID: 63CF803BA2090139132-8036

1 Fault Found:
008592 - Bank 2; System too Rich at Idle
P2190 - 008 - - Intermittent
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00101000
Fault Priority: 0
Fault Frequency: 2
Reset counter: 255
Mileage: 106610 km
Time Indication: 0

Freeze Frame:
RPM: 764 /min
Load: 18.4 %
Speed: 3.0 km/h
Temperature: 90.0*C
Temperature: 29.0*C
Absolute Pres.: 1000.0 mbar
Voltage: 13.589 V


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Address 15: Airbags Labels: 8E0-959-655-94.lbl
Part No SW: 8E0 959 655 G HW: 8E0 959 655 G
Component: Airbag 9.41 H13 4230
Revision: 91H13423 Serial number: 0036M0G65SBB
Coding: 0430612
Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
VCID: 3B7F185B7A3919F97B2-806E

Subsystem 1 - Serial number: 6332DRB403894A16O

Subsystem 2 - Serial number: 6342DRB404AC0B29W

Subsystem 3 - Serial number: 6352ARB4020F6807K

Subsystem 4 - Serial number: 6362ARB4020F7380I

Subsystem 5 - Serial number: 63729RB401F92151H

Subsystem 6 - Serial number: 63829RB401F920F6W

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 8E0-953-549-T.lbl
Part No: 8E0 953 549 T
Component: Lenksáulenmodul 0301
Coding: 06021
Shop #: WSC 06335
VCID: 448D63A754C766010A8-4B04

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments Labels: 8E0-920-9xx-8EC.lbl
Part No SW: 8E0 920 983 C HW: 8E0 920 983 C
Component: KOMBI+WFS 4 H14 0100
Revision: 0100 Serial number: 00000000000000
Coding: 0023418
Shop #: WSC 00029 210 86049
VCID: 2F673C0BBD41F559C7A-5140

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer Labels: 8E0-920-9xx-8EC.lbl
Part No SW: 8E0 920 983 C HW: 8E0 920 983 C
Component: KOMBI+WFS 4 H14 0100
Revision: 0100 Serial number: 00000000000000
Coding: 0023418
Shop #: WSC 00029 210 86049
VCID: 2F673C0BBD41F559C7A-5140

No fault code found.

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Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr Labels: 8E0-959-760.lbl
Part No: 8E0 959 760 A
Component: Sitzverstellung H01 0020
Coding: 00001
Shop #: WSC 06335
VCID: 3261357FFE73D8B1A84-4B04

No fault code found.

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Address 37: Navigation Labels: 8E0-035-192-RNSE.lbl
Part No SW: 8E0 035 192 Q HW: 8E0 035 192 Q
Component: RNS-E HIGH EU H73 0550
Revision: 02S Serial number: AUZBZ7G1104076
Coding: 0309713
Shop #: WSC 02197 785 00200
VCID: 3261357FAE73D8B1A84-517A

No fault code found.

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Address 45: Inter. Monitor Labels: 8E0-951-177.lbl
Part No: 8E0 951 177
Component: Innenraumueberw. 0804
Coding: 00001
Shop #: WSC 00000
VCID: 6BDFE81B19D94979AB2-5140

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv. Labels: 8E0-959-433-MAX.lbl
Part No: 8E0 959 433 CH
Component: Komfortgerát T3B 4135
Coding: 06895
Shop #: WSC 06335
VCID: 79F3C2536385EBE929E-4AEA

Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8E2959802F
Component: Tõrsteuer.FS BRM 0606

Subsystem 2 - Part No: 8E2959801F
Component: Tõrsteuer.BF BRM 0606

Subsystem 3 - Part No: 8E0959801E
Component: Tõrsteuer.HL BRM 0606

Subsystem 4 - Part No: 8E0959802E
Component: Tõrsteuer.HR BRM 0606

1 Fault Found:
00962 - Alarm via. Tilt Sensor
35-00 - -

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Address 55: Headlight Range Labels: 4F0-910-357.lbl
Part No SW: 4F0 910 357 F HW: 4F0 907 357 F
Component: AFS 1 H01 0020
Revision: 00000001 Serial number:
Coding: 0000019
Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
VCID: 2953D21380A59B6919E-807C

Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8E0 941 329 A
Component: AFS-Modul links H04 0020

Subsystem 2 - Part No: 8E0 941 329 A
Component: AFS-Modul rechtsH04 0020

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio Labels: 8E0-035-192-RNSE.lbl
Part No SW: 8E0 035 192 Q HW: 8E0 035 192 Q
Component: RNS-E HIGH EU H73 0550
Revision: 02S Serial number: AUZBZ7G1104076
Coding: 0309713
Shop #: WSC 02197 785 00200
VCID: 3261357FAE73D8B1A84-517A

No fault code found.

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Address 65: Tire Pressure Labels: 8E0-907-273.lbl
Part No SW: 8E0 907 273 A HW: 8E0 907 273 A
Component: Reifendruck 3 H04 0130
Coding: 0022523
Shop #: WSC 02197 785 00200
VCID: 2A512D1F86A39071104-5140

No fault code found.

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Address 76: Park Assist Labels: 8E0-919-283-8EC.lbl
Part No SW: 8E0 919 283 E HW: 8E0 919 283 E
Component: Parkhilfe 8-Kan H06 0010
Revision: 00H06000 Serial number: 00067802130702
Coding: 0000104
Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
VCID: 3261357FAE73D8B1A84-5140

No fault code found.

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Address 77: Telephone Labels: 8P0-862-335.lbl
Part No SW: 8P0 862 335 H HW: 8P0 862 335 H
Component: FSE_255x BT H26 0290
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: 00000005080921
Coding: 0010722
Shop #: WSC 06335 000 00000
VCID: 3B7F185B793919F97B2-5122

No fault code found.

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Any ideas?

Car is running absolutely perfectly, for information it has the following modifications :

- milltek non res & sports cats ( It definitely has the non-res, the sports cats i was told by the dealer i bought from but never had it checked)
- gruppe m intake
- The history was hard to track down as the dealer didn't have it but it was owned by a forum member and has been to mrc quite a bit, i phoned them and they confirmed it has had a decoke, a remap and a full health check, i am assuming stage 2 due to the sports cats and gruppe m.
- was in with audi a month ago for new discs all round and 2 new front drc shocks and everything was given the ok by them and commented on how good a rs4 it was.

Any help much appreciated before i proceed to audi to have my pantaloons lowered.

Cheers

Niall

[Baz4]

I'm eager to hear more on this also, had the same codes pop up on mine last week. Similar mods too

[PetrolDave]

As always when a fault code is shown as intermittent, clear it (them in this case on both engine ECUs) and see if it/they come back.

BTW the tilt sensor alarm suggests something like you left the alarm on while on a ferry?

[Chargedrs4]

sounds like a bad 02 sensor

[birdiemachine]

As always when a fault code is shown as intermittent, clear it (them in this case on both engine ECUs) and see if it/they come back.

BTW the tilt sensor alarm suggests something like you left the alarm on while on a ferry?

Yea could be when I brought it back from the mainland to Northern Ireland Dave. Have reset it yesterday will keep a eye on it. Could it be a dodgy maf either?

[jaysrs4]

I'd say lambda. I had an issue with my maf recently - however a good clean made it all ok again.

I can't remember the code but it wasn't like yours.

[RS6BRIT]

Only thing against the O2 sensor is that it has registered rich on both banks. Each bank has its own set of O2 sensors so I'd assume that for both banks to register rich then both O2s would have to be duff.
More likely that the maf is at fault and causing both banks to run rich and thus both O2s are picking this up and turning on an EML. Could also be a vac issue.
I have the opposite. I get a lean at idle code on bank 2, and despite my best efforts I've been unable to figure it out.

[birdiemachine]

The fact it's both banks made me think it's u likely to be a O2 sensor as chances of
Both failing are slim. More than likely a dodgy maf.

1. How much for a maf?

2. How hard to fit?

3. Anyone know what sort of K&N filter the Gruppe m takes I want to replace it?

Cheers for all the input guys

[jaysrs4]

The maf couldn't be easier to change. Have you tried cleaning it yet with some electrical cleaner?

[birdiemachine]

The maf couldn't be easier to change. Have you tried cleaning it yet with some electrical cleaner?

Not yet jay, is it tricky to do. The maf is between the Gruppe m and the engine and has a cable plugged into it?

[RS6BRIT]

The maf couldn't be easier to change. Have you tried cleaning it yet with some electrical cleaner?

Not yet jay, is it tricky to do. The maf is between the Gruppe m and the engine and has a cable plugged into it?

That's the one. Unclipped connector. Undo 2 screws. Pull out.

Get some maf cleaner from halfords and spray it liberally, let it dry out and then re fit. Have you cleared the codes to see if they come back yet ? More often than not these sort of codes are random and won't come back.

Mafs are about 120 quid iirc. You can get them from TPS or you local audi dealer. If you get stuck let me know as I have a spare 2nd hand one from mine. I had a similar code and ordered a replacement and then found the cause to be something else so I know my spare is fine. I can sort you a cheap price on it if need be, but I'd clear codes first. If they come back, try cleaning the maf, and failing that replace it.

[birdiemachine]

The maf couldn't be easier to change. Have you tried cleaning it yet with some electrical cleaner?

Not yet jay, is it tricky to do. The maf is between the Gruppe m and the engine and has a cable plugged into it?

That's the one. Unclipped connector. Undo 2 screws. Pull out.

Get some maf cleaner from halfords and spray it liberally, let it dry out and then re fit. Have you cleared the codes to see if they come back yet ? More often than not these sort of codes are random and won't come back.

Mafs are about 120 quid iirc. You can get them from TPS or you local audi dealer. If you get stuck let me know as I have a spare 2nd hand one from mine. I had a similar code and ordered a replacement and then found the cause to be something else so I know my spare is fine. I can sort you a cheap price on it if need be, but I'd clear codes first. If they come back, try cleaning the maf, and failing that replace it.

Cheers for the reply buddy.

Have reset the light and will see what happens.

If it comes on again I'll clean the maf and then replace.

Cheers

Niall

[birdiemachine]

So this morning the eml came back on, flashing this time, car really juddery as if it was running out of fuel and smokier than usual, I know these beasties like to burn oil when cold.

Full tank of super start of week and half way through it now so can't be the fuel.

I'm going to do the following anyone have any other ideas?

1. Clean Gruppe m
2. New fuel filter
3. New maf

Any other ideas? Haven't had a chance to scan it yet.

[fredjudd]

Sorry to resurrect this old thread, but what was the solution? MAF or lambda?

Cheers

Fred