munched engine...ouch! not for the faint of heart

[ArthurPE]

If I'm one of them you are referring to, Audi didn't say this to me. Be very careful accusing me of something I didn't say. I told everyone that Audi said it was wrong oil, but it's NOT wrong oil.

Also, if you pick the other picture you'll see the score marks are different. You know this.

Finally, a warning to everyone else. Be very careful what you post. Whatever the conversation Arthur had with Audi of America, it made it all the way back to Audi Australia, and then to my dealer. They have indicated they will not allow me to take more pictures. If you think for a second Arthur is working to help us understand the RS4 (like a contributing member of rs246 would) think again.

To the poster with the problem, be very careful what you say in Arthur presence. I wouldn't put anything to him in PM's either.

It's a shame, but becuase of this, I may not be able to provide everyone such detailed information anymore.

Mal.

you said it was a result of deposits
you said your car made 263 HP because of deposits
you said deposits pitted the pistons
it is a bold claim to state deposits destroyed the engine

I went to the source and asked Audi, no speculation, no subterfuge
I TOLD you I was going to ask Audi...
if deposits destoyed your engine that is serious
it will affect ALL engines
I do not believe this to be true
so I went to the source as I said I would...
people say whatever they want, Audi can't respond i a public forum, it would become a mess...
so I straight up asked them...no BS, no hidden agenda
'did deposits destroy the engine' because there are folks saying they did...

perhaps you should have heeded your own advice...don't post BS like 'deposits destroyed my engine'
after having independents work on it, bad mouthing Audi (they cleaned the valves wrong) and other such non-sense, then expect it not to bite you in the a$$

as far as me not seeking 'truth', that is funny coming from you...you post outright falsehoods and expect it to not be rebutted?

this should have been done under the radar, but you sought 'glory' with crazy outrageous posts...you compared Audi to hitler for criminey sakes!!!

[k3ukr]

2manytoys - I see what arthur is trying to do here ,to be honest I dont think it is up to him to be phoning around dealerships sticking his nose in

Arthur- I dont see your problem with cars getting engines under warranty ,the reason my engine got stripped in the first place was due to carbon build up and poor performance ,only then once the engine has been stripped the scoring was seen ,audi didnt tell me how this has happned all they said was your car is getting a new engine ,

Once the new engine is in my car and running I will post pics and tell the people who are actually intrested and that it would help more information

[2manytoys]

Arthur, it's when you state that I said Audi told me it was carbon, and that's not what I said.

Again, you are trying to pin this on the independant, who only got involved after Audi couldn't fix the problem (it was the independant that logged timing first too, and this was passed to Audi, and only then did they look at it).

Anyway, like I said, you are not here to help, you are here to stop the flow of information. I see the same thing on many forums. You must spend many many hours a day posting. Surely you get paid for the amount of time you spend here, hell I wouldn't spend this much time here unless someone was paying me.

[ArthurPE]

some discourse in another thread:

I'll be contacting Johan (President of Audi of America) to see if he can shed any light on this...
pulling an engine (for what? repair? reapir what?, inspect? inspect what?) is pretty serious for carbon deposits...and perceived timing loss (an electronic issue requiring no engine removal)...I'll also forward the VagCom printout...I'd be curious to hear what they saw that we didn't

Just forwarded it to the president Audi of America
it deserves attention...if your engine is being pulled due to deposit related damage and timing issues (contrary to the logs) this is a major deal...
I'd be curious as to what logic lead them to remove and replace/rebuild the engine!
I won't have let him know anything, he can get whatever information he needs

well, they have everything, I'll be curious to hear their take...I'm guessing there is more to the story
the log indicated that your car was running perfect...and the run was made the day you posted it, so deposits were present...
the run was made at 70F, the std for rating, and timing was perfect...any colder it really won't advance much more, warmer it will <beep> more, as is natural...
from the log there appears to be no issue with the engine, that's why I'm interested in why they pulled it....
I will not post what they share with me, they will prefer to keep it confidential...
you may want to be careful also, making assertions that your engine is damaged from carbon deposits...
that is not what Audi believes...and if you want cooperation from them it may be better to not place unwarranted blame...is your car still under warranty?


I told you I was going to do it
I did it
I told you I did it
I warned you that you hyperbole may not be the best approach
and yet I am the one in the wrong, and you act surprised, lol
did you think I was 'kidding'?

[ArthurPE]

with all due respsect, I can do as I please, especially when info is publicly posted and it may affect me...
but rather than posting vague incriminating data and innuendo I went to the horses mouth...
and that is 'wrong'?
they will answer or not, that is up to them
it's up to ME to ask...then we'll know the truth, no an individuals version or interpretation of it...people tend to get biased when dealing with consumer issues...

everything you say is YOUR side...I want to hear Audi's
better to have that balance...since what we all seek is 'truth', no?
again, you say deposit related issues lead to loss of power
I want to hear Audi say that...because as far as I can tell that is not their position...
again, deducting...deposits caused power loss, so they opened the engine up and found scoring...isn't the logical conclusion that deposits caused the scoring and therefore destroyed the engine? is that what you are implying?
again, isn't Audi the source for that answer?

2manytoys - I see what arthur is trying to do here ,to be honest I dont think it is up to him to be phoning around dealerships sticking his nose in

Arthur- I dont see your problem with cars getting engines under warranty ,the reason my engine got stripped in the first place was due to carbon build up and poor performance ,only then once the engine has been stripped the scoring was seen ,audi didnt tell me how this has happned all they said was your car is getting a new engine ,

Once the new engine is in my car and running I will post pics and tell the people who are actually intrested and that it would help more information

[2manytoys]

No, I knew you were serious, I've always suspected you have a relationship with Audi. But when it gets back to my dealer, I think it's time to warn others.

I'm warning others because you put words into their mouth, and mis-quote them. You may cause people problems rather than help them, that's my point. You are not helpful. Simple.

[ArthurPE]

No, I knew you were serious, I've always suspected you have a relationship with Audi. But when it gets back to my dealer, I think it's time to warn others.

I'm warning others because you put words into their mouth, and mis-quote them. You may cause people problems rather than help them, that's my point. You are not helpful. Simple.

I gave them the links to YOUR posts!
they drew their own conclusions...
think about it...
YOUR posts...

the only 'relationship' I have:
bought an Audi
I respect them, and will give them a chance to give their side
take all internet hyperbole with a grain of salt

if you wanted help, you should have went to Audi, not on an internet rampage...hitler!?
come on!
I did not cause your problems, with your car or Audi (if there are any)
you need to assume personal responsibilty for YOUR actions

iirc we had PM's (may have been another, I'll check), I told you it would be better to deal with this in a private fashion, you chose otherwise, so once you made it public...I asked Audi...plain and simple...I had 'your side', I wanted theirs...

[P_G]

Finally, a warning to everyone else. Be very careful what you post. Whatever the conversation Arthur had with Audi of America, it made it all the way back to Audi Australia, and then to my dealer. They have indicated they will not allow me to take more pictures. If you think for a second Arthur is working to help us understand the RS4 (like a contributing member of rs246 would) think again.

Mal, It may be unfortunate that your dealer will not allow you to take any more photos but in reality and any UK member can correct me if I am wrong we wouldn't be allowed anywhere inside the workshop now because of health and safety reasons, let alone with a camera. If I were a dealer and you were asking to take photos I would want to know why? To put up on your wall in a nice photo frame? The only reason would be for insurance purposes and as your engine is under warranty then that's not the reason so they were very niaive anyway.

I would suggest even if Arthur did exacerbate the situation, then Audi employees do monitor what is being put on the internet to an extent.

Beside, the issue at hand and K3ukr has said his engine was stripped due to poor performance to assess burn pattern, not poor performance due to carbon desposits. Could be attributable to maybe, but no statement to say due to.

For point of clarification Mal, why was your engine stripped? Continued poor performance or carbon desposits?

K3ukr, I don't believe Arthur has anything against people having new engines, hell I and I suspect most others including Arthur would be all for it if carbon deposits were the cause of engine failure. I would suggest however he is a little more direct than most in wanting to know the truth and as it is in the public domain as is the dealership information then he has every right to call dealers and ask.

It is up to the dealer whether they advise him and whether there exists in retail such a thing as customer confidentiality; however given some of the information I have been told on other peoples cars by garages over the years I suspect not.

Carry on....

[HYFR]

this is a public forum! you're liable for your own posts

and Audi DO monitor owners forums such as these

[2manytoys]

Guys, you are missing my point. Of course I know Audi read them, that's not the issue here. I have nothing to hide.

My point is that the information Arthur has is not used to help other forum members. We freely give this information for the benefit of others. I take pictures, and tell peope what I'm told to help other people now and in the future. That's why forums are created. Hell, I'm probably the only person to ever take a picture of the inside of an RS4 engine and share it with the community.

Again, for everyone else, this is a warning, Arthur will use your information you share in good faith, and will find out ways to discredit it, even resorting to misquoting you (I suspect for Audi's benefit).

[2manytoys]

My engine was stripped because of the amount of carbon on the valves. The manifold was initialy removed because they thought the poor performance/timing issues were injector related. They were going to be replaced. When they saw the amount of carbon there again the whole direction changed.

Just remember, this problem has been ongoing for more than 12 months (with good performance when the valves were cleaned the first time). Audi had previously tried a number of things; flaps, actuators, manifold (all the usual stuff) but it keeps coming back to carbon. It is what it is, and it's Audi doing all the work not me. I'm just the photographer.

[SR71]

Out of curiousity, who believes Audi would admit liability even if they thought they were culpable?

[scaghead]

My engine was stripped because of the amount of carbon on the valves. The manifold was initialy removed because they thought the poor performance/timing issues were injector related. They were going to be replaced. When they saw the amount of carbon there again the whole direction changed.

Just remember, this problem has been ongoing for more than 12 months (with good performance when the valves were cleaned the first time). Audi had previously tried a number of things; flaps, actuators, manifold (all the usual stuff) but it keeps coming back to carbon. It is what it is, and it's Audi doing all the work not me. I'm just the photographer.

but your not just the photographer, that is the whole point..you have had your say on this big time over the past year, a photographer takes.. and does not say

[stoddie]

oh this has turned into a major debate.....

im staying out of it - but i hope you get your car fixed soon fella.

[ArthurPE]

again, BS

YOUR OWN words are what Audi read
I sent the links to YOUR posts

you said deposits cost power and lead to the destruction of your engine
I asked them if this was their take and sent them the links to your posts...

I would not lie nor distort...all Audi would have to do is READ YOUR posts and I would lose all credibility...better to lse it with you than them

Guys, you are missing my point. Of course I know Audi read them, that's not the issue here. I have nothing to hide.

My point is that the information Arthur has is not used to help other forum members. We freely give this information for the benefit of others. I take pictures, and tell peope what I'm told to help other people now and in the future. That's why forums are created. Hell, I'm probably the only person to ever take a picture of the inside of an RS4 engine and share it with the community.

Again, for everyone else, this is a warning, Arthur will use your information you share in good faith, and will find out ways to discredit it, even resorting to misquoting you (I suspect for Audi's benefit).