No more seafoam...no more scraping. You excited?

[MB2]

I haven't ever dragged my car, but I have run a few bikes at Santa Pod so have to pitch in a little here...

1 - Anyone who fancies some great, legal, cheap fun in their car should attend a "run wot yer brung" event at Santa Pod
2 - Contrary to popular opinion the drag strip has less grip then the street (probably becuase the first few hundered yards are effectively rubber coated), meaning I could launch my bike by dropping the clutch at high rpm something that would literally have launched it skywards at a red traffic light. We also had to lower tyre pressure & do big burnouts to get grip (used to save wornout rear tyres for RWYB).
3 - The skill of launching & anticipating/racting to the lights makes it very hard to compare a drag time with a real 1/4 time unless you are an experienced drag racer
4 - RWYB times will be a lot more favourable as the timing starts when you cross the beam rather than when the lights go green
5 - It is great fun although repeated runs can be hard on the clutch, you can always treat it like agressive traffic light starts which is what I did with one of my bikes that was renowned for having a weak clutch basket.

[sakimano]

most people that own these cars don't give a rats ass about drag times.

+1

Any dumb ass in an ill handing over powered POS can go quick in a straight line on a wide high grip piece of tarmac.

For me what makes cars like the RS4 great is the combination of power and, more importantly, handling and agility.

To illustrate on a different scale - I could get from Wymondham to the Lotus factory quicker in my (then) Renault 5 GT Turbo (which had been mildly tuned by BBR Racing) than one of the Lotus ride & handling expert drivers could in a Lotus Esprit.

On paper, and in a straight line, the Esprit should have left me miles behind in it's wake but the handling & agility of my (cheap as chips) 5 GT Turbo gave me the edge, even though I'm in no way as good a driver as the guy piloting the Esprit was.

Handling and agility will beat raw power on any "drivers road".

Please focus...I have already said a couple of times that we're discussing straight line acceleration gains via power parts...not the merit of the dragstrip as a measuring stick for the RS4's design intentions.

Should we test power adding modifications by doing a slalom test? Road course timed laps? That's tantamount to testing suspension modifications at the dragstrip. Useless. So yes, the road course is irrelevant when we're discussing ECU tunes and exhaust mods. Sure they'll help your lap times, but nobody in their right mind uses a roadcourse to test acceleration mods. If you think the dragstrip (driving straight for 1320 feet) introduces variables...the road course introduce a ton more.

[P_G]

Hang on a minute, the very place you say are the holy grail of measurement and that are supported by MB2's statement on grip /environment make a drag strip as or perhaps even less realistic and accurate than us mere road users on a flat(ish) piece of road with our V-Boxes! What's to stop one strip being more or less rubbered than another dependent upon usage and whether the rubber has been washed off or not. It's all just a lottery!

[ArthurPE]

Please focus...

condescending, smug and arrogent BS


and still we have not one iota of data or information on this miracle machine that a few guys in a garage developed that Porsche, Audi, BMW, MB, Ferrari, et al have 'missed'

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Please focus...

condescending, smug and arrogent BS


and still we have not one iota of data or information on this miracle machine that a few guys in a garage developed that Porsche, Audi, BMW, MB, Ferrari, et al have 'missed'

FIXED.

If you're gunna use non-Unglish, put it in italics.

Now I feel condescending, smug and arrogant too. Sorry, I didn't want to feel left out.

[ArthurPE]

Please focus...

condescending, smug and arrogent BS


and still we have not one iota of data or information on this miracle machine that a few guys in a garage developed that Porsche, Audi, BMW, MB, Ferrari, et al. have 'missed'

FIXED.

If you're gunna use non-Unglish, put it in italics.

Now I feel condescending, smug and arrogant too. Sorry, I didn't want to feel left out.

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http://www.grammarist.com/usage/et-al/
Et al. does not need to be italicized in normal use. It does require a period after the second word, even when it falls in the middle of a sentence. Et al. is best reserved for citations and other parenthetical remarks in academic or other types of formal writing. Because it sounds unnatural when read aloud, it’s usually best to use an unabbreviated English equivalent in informal contexts.

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http://www.grammarist.com/usage/et-al/
Et al. does not need to be italicized in normal use. It does require a period after the second word, even when it falls in the middle of a sentence. Et al. is best reserved for citations and other parenthetical remarks in academic or other types of formal writing. Because it sounds unnatural when read aloud, it’s usually best to use an unabbreviated English equivalent in informal contexts.

I feel left out again so I'm gunna go with "that's an American website" therefore your argument is irrelevant. And don't quote Philip French of the Guardian, he has French in his surname, therefore that argument is invalid, too.

[PetrolDave]

Please focus...

Pot, meet kettle.

Saki - I think many of us have made it very clear to you that you going on like a broken record is boring us.

As has already been said by others we love our cars and want to hear about all the tuning options, but you've told us about JHM now so you've done that subject to death and could, and should, drop it.

[sakimano]

Hang on a minute, the very place you say are the holy grail of measurement and that are supported by MB2's statement on grip /environment make a drag strip as or perhaps even less realistic and accurate than us mere road users on a flat(ish) piece of road with our V-Boxes! What's to stop one strip being more or less rubbered than another dependent upon usage and whether the rubber has been washed off or not. It's all just a lottery!

True, traction may or may not be better at the dragstrip (I find it to be better when it's reasonably warm, worse when it's cold).

The difference is that it's flat, so you're not going to be able to cheat at the drag strip. Your country road vs. my country road will never be as flat. That's all I've been trying to tell you re: your pbox times

You also never replied to my offer...we'll both do pbox runs and email each other the file it produces. Again...make sure you don't have a downslope more than 2% or it will negate the comparison. Also make sure you remember that you and I are comparing ourselves to each other...not to dragstrip times. This will show you if your car is indeed 0.5 seconds faster to 1320 feet than my car, which you deemed slow. OK? It'll be fun. No animosity P_G...just two guys having fun with their cars.

[sakimano]

Please focus...

Pot, meet kettle.

Saki - I think many of us have made it very clear to you that you going on like a broken record is boring us.

As has already been said by others we love our cars and want to hear about all the tuning options, but you've told us about JHM now so you've done that subject to death and could, and should, drop it.

oh please. I've shared some information on a couple of items RS4 related that I learned about on another audi forum and nobody here had yet posted about them. For it, i've been called many names and had my integrity questioned. I didn't 'do it to death'...YOU QUESTIONED MY INTEGRITY ON PAGE 1/POST 7! So lets stuff the attitude. I think you need to ask yourself about your own forum etiquette towards new posters. "Welcome to RS246 and thanks for sharing the information none of us were aware of!". Nope. Your handbook says to immediately question the person's integrity and ask if they're bought off. Classy.

http://forum.rs246.com/viewtopic.php?f= ... 87#p475304

Oh...and Arthur, for your information, it looks like Audi may have already solved carbon buildup. So have a number of other manufacturers. Just because Audi haven't done a recall on your 5 year old RS4 doesn't mean they haven't implemented changes to prevent CB on the newer platforms. Check the other forums for a refresher if you want to see where Audi is with the CB situation. Since most people are clueless on carbon, Audi isn't under any pressure to do anything for customers of older models, like ours.

p.s. referring to JHM's team as a couple of guys in a garage is kind of funny. If you only knew.

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The problem is that your posts have been (rightly or wrongly) very biased in favour of JHM whilst slating other tuners.
You have to bear in mind that there have been huge numbers of others posting in the same way with almost all having a hidden motive.

[ArthurPE]

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http://www.grammarist.com/usage/et-al/
Et al. does not need to be italicized in normal use. It does require a period after the second word, even when it falls in the middle of a sentence. Et al. is best reserved for citations and other parenthetical remarks in academic or other types of formal writing. Because it sounds unnatural when read aloud, it’s usually best to use an unabbreviated English equivalent in informal contexts.

I feel left out again so I'm gunna go with "that's an American website" therefore your argument is irrelevant. And don't quote Philip French of the Guardian, he has French in his surname, therefore that argument is invalid, too.

don't feel left out...you are condescending, smug and arrogent....and wrong
and what is irrelavent is you
now we are the same...except for the wrong part...I'm not

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http://www.grammarist.com/usage/et-al/
Et al. does not need to be italicized in normal use. It does require a period after the second word, even when it falls in the middle of a sentence. Et al. is best reserved for citations and other parenthetical remarks in academic or other types of formal writing. Because it sounds unnatural when read aloud, it’s usually best to use an unabbreviated English equivalent in informal contexts.

I feel left out again so I'm gunna go with "that's an American website" therefore your argument is irrelevant. And don't quote Philip French of the Guardian, he has French in his surname, therefore that argument is invalid, too.

don't feel left out...you are condescending, smug and arrogent....and wrong
and what is irrelavent is you
now we are the same...except for the wrong part...I'm not

Yes you are.

[ArthurPE]

oh please. I've shared some information on a couple of items RS4 related that I learned about on another audi forum and nobody here had yet posted about them. For it, i've been called many names and had my integrity questioned. I didn't 'do it to death'...YOU QUESTIONED MY INTEGRITY ON PAGE 1/POST 7! So lets stuff the attitude. I think you need to ask yourself about your own forum etiquette towards new posters. "Welcome to RS246 and thanks for sharing the information none of us were aware of!". Nope. Your handbook says to immediately question the person's integrity and ask if they're bought off. Classy.

http://forum.rs246.com/viewtopic.php?f= ... 87#p475304

Oh...and Arthur, for your information, it looks like Audi may have already solved carbon buildup. So have a number of other manufacturers. Just because Audi haven't done a recall on your 5 year old RS4 doesn't mean they haven't implemented changes to prevent CB on the newer platforms. Check the other forums for a refresher if you want to see where Audi is with the CB situation. Since most people are clueless on carbon, Audi isn't under any pressure to do anything for customers of older models, like ours.

p.s. referring to JHM's team as a couple of guys in a garage is kind of funny. If you only knew.

it's you who need to 'stuff the attitude', and you know where...
I think you are assuming things...no one questioned your integrity (freudian perhaps?) but your motives
instead of accepting the consensus you attack everyone and say we should be grateful for your benevolence
shilling for a company is only questionable when the motive is hidden...it is obvious in your case

it was never a 'problem' and nothing has changed...I have seen the other forums and there are no 'break-throughs' for your non-existent problem whom people want to generate revenue from...

so you now speak for Audi ag, now THAT is funny...
and I do know, jhm is a couple of guys trying to sell snake-oil...they are no Skunk Works
do you have an 'inside connection' with jhm? how you privy to this stuff? work for them?