Is supercharging worth it?

[RS04YOB]

Read this thread on here very interesting reading (soon to be hung and quartered time to leave)
http://audirevolution.net/forum/index.php?topic=499.75

[Doug_S2]

There are 2 supercharged cars parked outside for anyone to come and drive - offer is there to compare to any other charged, tuned or stock rs4.

We take anyone out at all the track days we do.

The hard facts, logs and all the other dyno plots are in all the other threads on here.

[sakimano]

There are 2 supercharged cars parked outside for anyone to come and drive - offer is there to compare to any other charged, tuned or stock rs4.

We take anyone out at all the track days we do.

The hard facts, logs and all the other dyno plots are in all the other threads on here.

still no Santa Pod timeslips? I heard from 'horsepower' (TTS guy) he was having clutch trouble, but I was hoping one of the other RS4s had made it out. Was looking forward to seeing what the car can do. He's pretty pumped to get out there so I'm sure his S5 will run soon enough. How about Danny's Rs4? I heard it was at MRC and someone was going to take it to Test and Tune (RWYB) while he's away?

As a point of reference (our only point for a blown 4.2 at Santa Pod unfortunately that I know of) the PES MP90 kit on spinner's S5 4.2 ran 12.5 @ 112 mph. Bit of a lame duck to be fair. Here's a list of a bunch of other RS4 times to aim for:

[Doug_S2]

What does a stock b8 s4 stronic do on the same strips? It says matt got 113.64mph and 12.5318 on the leader board for santapod last year?

[bam_bam]

Since when did the 1/4 mile become a measure of a mod? I don't remember it being an issue with the development of the B5s, the C5s, the C6s. Now, all of a sudden, the B7 is a dragstrip weapon?

[P_G]

Here here. Have we not been through the pro and cons of dragging and that a lot of time, sometimes more than the gains of the modification, can be made in a good start. Surely what MRC have done in visiting various dynos apart from their own and the performance on track days is justification enough for some and importantly those who want to invest their money in a TTS kit. And if that isn't enough as Doug says there are cars to sample before you buy?

[PetrolDave]

Since when did the 1/4 mile become a measure of a mod? I don't remember it being an issue with the development of the B5s, the C5s, the C6s. Now, all of a sudden, the B7 is a dragstrip weapon?

sakimano seems to be a dragstrip lover, from his posts here and on other Audi forums I frequent.

Have to agree with you bam_bam that 1/4 mile times are of little/no relevance to most people. IMHO any fool in any over powered car can go fast in a straight line, but the real plus point of the RS4 is that it's NOT just about straight lines it loves corners too.

[supersi]

JBS seem to fit them the fastest lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EVplxRDt-k

[grizz]

JBS seem to fit them the fastest lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EVplxRDt-k

Cool , only 60 seconds labour cost

[rs4blacked]

Since when did the 1/4 mile become a measure of a mod? I don't remember it being an issue with the development of the B5s, the C5s, the C6s. Now, all of a sudden, the B7 is a dragstrip weapon?

sakimano seems to be a dragstrip lover, from his posts here and on other Audi forums I frequent.

Have to agree with you bam_bam that 1/4 mile times are of little/no relevance to most people. IMHO any fool in any over powered car can go fast in a straight line, but the real plus point of the RS4 is that it's NOT just about straight lines it loves corners too.

+1 Any car can be made to go fast in a straight line, the RS4 can do this just as well around corners out of the box a good all round car IMHO.

[mark758]

Not sure about the looks being outdated...
Mine was parked at the dealer in the middle of a gaggle of PDI B8 A4 sal/avants last week and in comparison it looked sharp/poised - some of the B8 curves looked a bit Hyuandai to me?

[sakimano]

What does a stock b8 s4 stronic do on the same strips? It says matt got 113.64mph and 12.5318 on the leader board for santapod last year?

should be around 13.0 @ 106-107...that's what we see at most sanctioned strips.

Since when did the 1/4 mile become a measure of a mod? I don't remember it being an issue with the development of the B5s, the C5s, the C6s. Now, all of a sudden, the B7 is a dragstrip weapon?

since it's a straight line power adder. It's simple. Should we use a lap time? Slalom maybe? How about braking distance? Heck no. I can't think of a better way to measure the kit's ability to help the RS4 accelerate. Dynos will show part of the picture (power) but not all of what you're buying. You're buying the ability to accelerate quicker. Simple. You're not buying a 10,000 pound kit so you can dyno it and then park the car. A dragstrip pass will show us how the tune ties that power together with driving dynamics...show the kit's ability to manage heat...show the blower's ability to operate efficiently.

Also, since MRC is a short drive from an internationally sanctioned and standardized dragstrip, allowing us to compare times from there to other tracks around the world with similar standardization/certification, it's a fantastic measure. The TTS car should kick some serious butt at Santa Pod.

For the record, the B5 world has always had a massive list of dragstrip times to compare the cars (s4biturbo) , as do the B6/7 S4 world (audirevolution among others) and just about every other performance car in the world has a dragstrip database on its forums. It's a great way to see how certain power mods have helped (or not helped) a car move out quicker.

S4biturbo.com dragstrip database of B5 S4s from around the world
http://www.s4biturbo.com/timeslips.php

Audirevolution.net dragstrip database of B6/7 S4s and RS4s from around the worldhttp://audirevolution.net/forum/index.php?topic=243.0
http://audirevolution.net/forum/index.php?topic=267.0

[sakimano]

Since when did the 1/4 mile become a measure of a mod? I don't remember it being an issue with the development of the B5s, the C5s, the C6s. Now, all of a sudden, the B7 is a dragstrip weapon?

sakimano seems to be a dragstrip lover, from his posts here and on other Audi forums I frequent.

Have to agree with you bam_bam that 1/4 mile times are of little/no relevance to most people. IMHO any fool in any over powered car can go fast in a straight line, but the real plus point of the RS4 is that it's NOT just about straight lines it loves corners too.

1/4 mile comparisons are not being advocated as a measure of the RS4 re: its purpose in the world. Once you understand that you will be more appreciative of quarter mile data. They are a measure of the ability of the car to accelerate. Comparing a supercharged car vs. a stock car's dragstrip time reveals a ton about that kit's ability to ADD to the RS4.

The supercharger kit has NOTHING to do with cornering so why you would mention RS4 cornering in the supercharger thread is a bit confusing. This is not the handling or suspension thread. Just as a dragstrip time would be flat useless to measure suspension improvements, talking about corners is flat useless for measuring accleration/power mods.

I didn't hear BAM BAM or yourself complaining when dyno sheets were floated in here . Why is that? I mean the RS4 wasn't built for the dyno. So why are we looking at dyno sheets? They don't reflect the ability of the car to handle a corner. Well, you didn't object because the dyno is a great way to see what kind of power the car is making, and it makes it easy to compare to stock. So does a dragstrip time, but in my opinion it's far more relevant because how a car accelerates in 1 gear on a load measuring dyno isn't reflective of what I do in my RS4...I drive it through all gears on paved roads.

[bam_bam]

Since when did the 1/4 mile become a measure of a mod? I don't remember it being an issue with the development of the B5s, the C5s, the C6s. Now, all of a sudden, the B7 is a dragstrip weapon?

since it's a straight line power adder. It's simple. Should we use a lap time? Slalom maybe? How about braking distance? Heck no. I can't think of a better way to measure the kit's ability to help the RS4 accelerate. Dynos will show part of the picture (power) but not all of what you're buying. You're buying the ability to accelerate quicker. Simple. You're not buying a 10,000 pound kit so you can dyno it and then park the car. A dragstrip pass will show us how the tune ties that power together with driving dynamics...show the kit's ability to manage heat...show the blower's ability to operate efficiently.

Also, since MRC is a short drive from an internationally sanctioned and standardized dragstrip, allowing us to compare times from there to other tracks around the world with similar standardization/certification, it's a fantastic measure. The TTS car should kick some serious butt at Santa Pod.

For the record, the B5 world has always had a massive list of dragstrip times to compare the cars (s4biturbo), as do the B6/7 S4 world (audirevolution among others) and just about every other performance car in the world has a dragstrip database on its forums. It's a great way to see how certain power mods have helped (or not helped) a car move out quicker.

Who are you? Do you really think you're going to get all the B7 tuners of the world to come along to your little <beep> slinging party, just so you can update their power claims into your little excel spreadsheet of 'truths'? Seriously, who the <beep> are you?
Do us all a favour and get off the fence, walk over to the supercharger you like the most and buy it. If a B7 tuner hasn't posted a 1/4 mile time then cross them off your list and move on, this translates to, if you don't like it, don't buy it. This ‘problem’ you have is all in your head, you've been going around in circles listening to the "he said, she said" stories, watching videos with fewer pixels than PacMan's morning dump and all the while fumbling around with maths used to teach retarded children how to supersize a McDonald’s drive-through order.

People do things because they want to. Whether it’s buying big ugly watches, marrying peroxide blonde hookers in Vegas or painting everything a favourite colour. Choosing a tuner is no different to any other consumer purchase that we buy but we don't really need, we make an informed decision the best we can. It's not like we really need to strap a supercharger onto an already quick car, there might be the 1% that like to go racing, but the others, do they really need it? We do it because we want to and if you make a purchase choice that doesn't turn how you expected, then you take it up with the supplier and you sort it out. If it's left unresolved and your requirements are still left wanting, you complain, you tell everyone, you have that right, because you bought it and it was <beep>. Except sakimano, he does the opposite, he buys nothing, he test drives nothing yet he has all the numbers and all the answers. Your little crusade isn't saving people from certain death, your concern has gone way beyond pre-purchase advice, you're obsessed, chill the <beep> out. There are no B7 tuners that I know holding a gun to people's heads, saying "put a supercharger on your B7 or I’ll paint my workshop floor with your objections". You're not saving anyone, people make decisions in many different ways, just as B7 tuners all have different ways of 'marketing'. If you expect all the tuners all bend to your preferred method of measure, then you're a fucken moron... and if they don't, then you're a smaller person if you go flopping about in Internet forums saying their wares are <beep>, just because they don't conform to your unit of measure, really? Just make your comments known, express your opinions and move on. You ain't big and you ain't clever.

Just for shits and giggles, riddle me this:

• 1. Take one stock B7 RS and independently hub dyno the bastard
  2. Take same B7 RS and add supercharger of choice plus corresponding remap
  3. Bed in and enjoy the car.
  4. Take newly modified B7 RS and interdependently hud dyno the bastard, again
  5. Post results

^ What's wrong with this? It's a measure of the mod, ne? Most people aren’t going to 1/4 mile an RS4, so, from a ‘marketing’ point of view, it’s sound. IMO 1/4mile runs are going to mean <beep> to someone who's thinking about paying for this mod. There's no issue with traction, temps and air pressure, the only real variable is the hub dyno operator and the car, MRC have no bearing on the outcome except for the mod and the map. MRC have always done what they said they’d do and you’ll be hard pushed to find a complaint against them. They have managed expectations very well.
The problem here is, you can pick holes in anything and you'll never be happy. It’s ok, we get it and it's boring.


EDIT: Oh and another thing, it's not a game, it's not "the B7 game", you're not talking to us from the meanstreets of Baltimore or Detroit and I assume you're not a pimp, drug dealer, gangster nor a thug. In fact you're Canadian, you're not even from a real country, that makes you North American at best. Get a grip. Chill out and wait, maybe MRC will get along Sticky Pod but your incessant posting on the topic is boring.

[sakimano]

All this because in all of your years, you haven't figured out that the 1/4 mile is the global standard acceleration test, used by the tuning community and car forums from US to Euro to Japanese makes?

For the record, having corresponded with TTS, they're anxious to get to Santa Pod to see what the car does. Why? because it's a great test, and they have a great kit, and they will do well. You should blow less hot air and stop being such an apologist...TTS don't need you to fend off my request for a 1/4 mile timeslip. They're going. Their customers are going. Many of us are just looking forward to it.

As for what's wrong with the dyno, this again just shows you're a little green on supercharged 4.2 cars. There were about half a dozen 4.2 SC kits out there before TTS (PES S4/RS4/S5, VF S4/RS4, R.A.I. S4, JHM S4, APR RS4/S5)...all of which dyno'd fabulously...and only 2 of which have performed in real world races/pulls/dragstrip passes anything like they dyno'd. The rest inexplicably showed a disconnect that left customers disappointed...many of whom post on this forum. Danny was disappointed with his PES kit. So MRC re-mapped it. He still didn't feel it was enough, so he had them swap in a bigger blower. That still didn't satisfy him so he went TTS. There are 2 dozen Dannys on the forums...guys who ditched their SC kits when the cars just fell on their face vs. the dyno results. Again...I don't expect you to know this because you're one of the guys who lives and breathes by the dyno and believes everything that gets printed from a dyno sheet. I get that. Thing is cars tuned for the dyno aren't always 'fast' when you test them in the real world.

For the record I am Scottish, living in Canada...and you can go <beep> yourself you English <beep>.