Mobil 1 5w-30 VW 504/507 £8.50 for 1L ;-)

[Teutonic_Tamer]

Wrong again!!!! ALL engines, irrespective of their target market, are filled with 504.00/507.00 LongLife 3 oils - even the ones bound for the US!

You really come out with some highly misleading shyte!

wrong, mine came with 5W-40, it was analyzed...

Oh really! Then that was changed on PDI. Contact Audi AG directly - and they will categorically confirm that ONLY 504.00/507.00 oils go in at the factory.

the engine was EPA typed with 5W40, to use anything else would be a violation of law (in the US)

OK - provide a valid link to this LAW. Because EVERY single Volkswagen, Audi, BMW, Mercedes, etc which is imported into the US has now somehow broken a US law!!! Doncha think we'd all have heard about this truely massive transgression?????

Sorry, but you really are digging a massive hole - the US would NEVER define in legislation that ONLY 5W-40 oils can be used! Why the heck do Amsoil sell a multitude of differing viscosties?

you are the one slinging shyte, in more ways than one

Yawn . . . .

[ArthurPE]

lol

the vast majority in the US also follow the mfgs interval, only the afficianados play with the interval...same as europe
what's your point? do you have one? or do you like to argue and pound your fingers into bloody stubs with your furious rants,

there is no difference in the quality of the oil...only the testing methods...your arguement is bogus, to be polite, or in terms you seem to enbrace, BS

you are deluding yourself...that's OK, but don't try to foist your junk science on others...just becasue you type a bnch of crap with conviction (and interlaced with ridicule and slights at those who differ) doesn't make it true, it's not...

really

Both extremely valid points.

Oil is NOT an infinate resource - one day, it WILL run out.

More bullsh!t - the vast majority of peeps in the UK and Europe in general follow extended oil change intervals. This is supported by all marques of the Volkswagen Group, all marques of General Motors Europe, all marques of BMW, and all marques of Daimler AG. It is generally only high performance cars, such as RS Audis, M BMWs and AMG Mercs which elect for time and distance intervals. Turbo diesels can happily go upto 30k miles or 50k kilometers on the same oil - and the oil does NOT degrade, and NO damage is caused to the engine!

The reason Americans change their oil more frequently is based on old skool attitudes, and the lack of willingness to spend more money on better quality true synthetic oils.

Yawn - stop burying your head in the sand. North American basestocks are recognised worldwide to be inferior to basestocks from other regions. Secondly, why has the European Union BANNED Group3 basestocks as being classed as 'synthetics' - yet US oil companies repeatedly flout this EU law - probably to protect 'their own' oil companies.

You can speak to ANY unbiasaded triboloigist - and they will ALL state Gp3 is nowhere near as good as Gp4 or Gp5 basestocks - and this is proven by factual engineering, not some opinionated internet myth!

What, which? If you are referring to longlife oils vs non-longlife - then the longlife are PROVEN - by the same ASTM tests which API use - to provide 'effective' lubrication for a duration of OVER twice that of non-longlife. Again, these are FACTS - something you seem to have a problem with!

What an utter load of bollox!!!! What evidence is there to prove that longlife oils are somehow less able, or are more suseptable to contamination compared to non-longlife. That is the most pathetic argument yet. You really know cock-all about oils!

Oh really!!!!

[ArthurPE]

rotflmao

no it wasn't factory filled, I have spoken to Audi, I have a pretty good poc

no they haven't, they are filled with the oil recommended (and typed) in the manual, for the RS4 (US) 5W40...period

what the EPA legislates is that the oil the engine was typed with (5W40 in this case) is what the car must be sold/delivered with...Audi would not put a substandard euro oil in only to drain it at the port of entry for a vastly superior US oil, waste of $$$ and resources

the EPA has no control (or limited) re: what the consumer does after sale

I actually find your diatrabes amusing, lol

Oh really! Then that was changed on PDI. Contact Audi AG directly - and they will categorically confirm that ONLY 504.00/507.00 oils go in at the factory.

OK - provide a valid link to this LAW. Because EVERY single Volkswagen, Audi, BMW, Mercedes, etc which is imported into the US has now somehow broken a US law!!! Doncha think we'd all have heard about this truely massive transgression?????

Sorry, but you really are digging a massive hole - the US would NEVER define in legislation that ONLY 5W-40 oils can be used! Why the heck do Amsoil sell a multitude of differing viscosties?

Yawn . . . .

[Teutonic_Tamer]

there is no difference in the quality of the oil...only the testing methods...your arguement is bogus, to be polite, or in terms you seem to enbrace, BS

Of course there is a difference in oil quality. Log onto the ACEA website and download the differing testing standards requirements.

You are the only bogus thing on this site . . . .

[ArthurPE]

Of course there is a difference in oil quality. Log onto the ACEA website and download the differing testing standards requirements.

You are the only bogus thing on this site . . . .

you are correct, there is a difference...the US is slightly better...

I'll refrain from the personal attacks and allow the readers to do the 'douche' evaluation

but if I were to offer comment, I'm not the 'only'

[Teutonic_Tamer]

no it wasn't factory filled, I have spoken to Audi, I have a pretty good poc

Audi USA, probably . . .

no they haven't, they are filled with the oil recommended (and typed) in the manual, for the RS4 (US) 5W40...period

Nope - we all know the US owners manuals are different to the rest of the world. The US manuals only 'advise' a 5W-40 oil simply because Yanks have a truely massive hang-up over oil viscosities. The rest of the world has gotten over this - why do you think that ALL European manuals do NOT make any mention of oil viscosity - they ONLY state the relevent VW oil standards, and also advise on ACEA standards for 'emergency topup' (should you not be able to get hold of the correct VW-spec oil).

Now, onto the B7 RS4 specific VW oil standards (as in the European manuals) - yes, granted, I fully conceed that it states either a 502.00 or a 504.00 oil can be used for the traditional fixed interval 'Time and Distance' servicing schedules. However, in the 'small print' of the manual, it states some thing like 'data correct only at time of book going to press, consult your Audi dealer for the latest specifications'. And hey ho, in Europe, the ONLY oil standard is now 504.00 for the RS4. Again, for the US market, 502.00 OR 504.00 is still applicable, but this is simply to statisfy North American beliefs around shorter OCIs

what the EPA legislates is that the oil the engine was typed with (5W40 in this case) is what the car must be sold/delivered with...

Yawn . . . yawn . . . yawn.

I am now looking at the factory built data of two United States vehicles, one a B7 RS4 and the other a D4 S4. Guess what - there is categorically NO mention of any specific lubricant, nor any EPA rating. The EPA ratings only deal with fuel economy, not the lubricant in the oil sump.

Like I said - provide a URL to this said law, so that we can all see . . .

Audi would not put a substandard euro oil in only to drain it at the port of entry for a vastly superior US oil, waste of $$$ and resources

You really are utterly arrogant. What the fcuk makes you think that Euro oils are substandard. It is the American API ratings which are massively inferior to both European ACEA, Japanese JASO, and Thailand TISI generic standards - not to mention the even stricter OEM standards. Why do you think that Audi, VW, BMW, Porsche, Merc, Opel, etc make NO mention of API standards - and haven't done so for the best part of 20 years!

the EPA has no control (or limited) re: what the consumer does after sale

But that isn't the issue. The UK sort of works in a similar way . . .

I actually find your diatrabes amusing, lol

And I find yours more akin to

HAND and all that.

[Teutonic_Tamer]

Of course there is a difference in oil quality. Log onto the ACEA website and download the differing testing standards requirements.

You are the only bogus thing on this site . . . .

you are correct, there is a difference...the US is slightly better...

You really do have your head up your back passage. It is internationally recognised that ACEA standards are considerably better than API ones . . . but if you want to look at API standards through rose-tinted specs - then carry on . . .

[ArthurPE]

Audi AG

the rest of the world has got it wrong, on many issues

boring, repetative and inane

oil viscosity affects MPG and emissions to a lesser extent
the EPA regulates both

no, I won't waste my time on you...yours is apparantly worth less, or my opinion of you, more, lol

wow, I know that would get you riled up, but never thought to the extent you would insult me over it and use the 'f' word, lol
as I said, they are equal for the application...
you are soooo predictable...it's quite cute and adorable...precious

my manual uses API standards in additon to Euro, as does the oil SIB

that is exactly the issue, and a direct response to your ill founded assertion...

a very exitable boy...simmer down cowboy, you'll blow a gasket...

FedEx just delivered my handmade cabinet for my McIntosh MA6300 amp, so you'll excuse me if I don't respond to the inevitable reply, lol
http://mcintoshcabinets.com/pages/mcintosh.htm

Audi USA, probably . . .

Nope - we all know the US owners manuals are different to the rest of the world. The US manuals only 'advise' a 5W-40 oil simply because Yanks have a truely massive hang-up over oil viscosities. The rest of the world has gotten over this - why do you think that ALL European manuals do NOT make any mention of oil viscosity - they ONLY state the relevent VW oil standards, and also advise on ACEA standards for 'emergency topup' (should you not be able to get hold of the correct VW-spec oil).

Now, onto the B7 RS4 specific VW oil standards (as in the European manuals) - yes, granted, I fully conceed that it states either a 502.00 or a 504.00 oil can be used for the traditional fixed interval 'Time and Distance' servicing schedules. However, in the 'small print' of the manual, it states some thing like 'data correct only at time of book going to press, consult your Audi dealer for the latest specifications'. And hey ho, in Europe, the ONLY oil standard is now 504.00 for the RS4. Again, for the US market, 502.00 OR 504.00 is still applicable, but this is simply to statisfy North American beliefs around shorter OCIs

Yawn . . . yawn . . . yawn.

I am now looking at the factory built data of two United States vehicles, one a B7 RS4 and the other a D4 S4. Guess what - there is categorically NO mention of any specific lubricant, nor any EPA rating. The EPA ratings only deal with fuel economy, not the lubricant in the oil sump.

Like I said - provide a URL to this said law, so that we can all see . . .

You really are utterly arrogant. What the fcuk makes you think that Euro oils are substandard. It is the American API ratings which are massively inferior to both European ACEA, Japanese JASO, and Thailand TISI generic standards - not to mention the even stricter OEM standards. Why do you think that Audi, VW, BMW, Porsche, Merc, Opel, etc make NO mention of API standards - and haven't done so for the best part of 20 years!

But that isn't the issue. The UK sort of works in a similar way . . .

And I find yours more akin to

HAND and all that.

[ArthurPE]

You really do have your head up your back passage. It is internationally recognised that ACEA standards are considerably better than API ones . . . but if you want to look at API standards through rose-tinted specs - then carry on . . .

again with the the personal attacks...feel better? miss your meds?

the president of Audi runs API std oil in his car

he said euro oil is

[Nib]

Of course there is a difference in oil quality. Log onto the ACEA website and download the differing testing standards requirements.

You are the only bogus thing on this site . . . .

you are correct, there is a difference...the US is slightly better...

You really do have your head up your back passage.

This is precicely why I've had enough of this forum. BYE!!!

[Teutonic_Tamer]

You really do have your head up your back passage. It is internationally recognised that ACEA standards are considerably better than API ones . . . but if you want to look at API standards through rose-tinted specs - then carry on . . .

again with the the personal attacks...feel better? miss your meds?

the president of Audi runs API std oil in his car

he said euro oil is

Yet another figment of your imagination - because the whole world knows that German companies do NOT have 'Presidents'!

[PetrolDave]

Anyone who takes time to read the mainly US Audi forums will know that Audi of America recommend 5W-40 oils for the RS4, that's not an opinion of one person it's fact.

I've been involved in many debates with US RS4 ownbers who are confused that in Europe we are told to use a VAG spec oil which is probably 5W-30, but in the US they are told to use an AoA spec oil that is probably 5W-40 in what is essentially the same engine. None of us can come up with a plausible reason for the difference...

[P_G]

Yet another figment of your imagination - because the whole world knows that German companies do NOT have 'Presidents'!

He refers I believe to AOA in which case it is entirely plausable.

[P_G]

Anyone who takes time to read the mainly US Audi forums will know that Audi of America recommend 5W-40 oils for the RS4, that's not an opinion of one person it's fact.

I've been involved in many debates with US RS4 ownbers who are confused that in Europe we are told to use a VAG spec oil which is probably 5W-30, but in the US they are told to use an AoA spec oil that is probably 5W-40 in what is essentially the same engine. None of us can come up with a plausible reason for the difference...

+1

[ArthurPE]

my owners manual clearly states 5W40, and that 5W30 and 0W40 can be used if the other is not available
the Audi oil SB states 5W40 for the US and 5W30 RoW

why? who knows, my guess, mpg economy ratings, might do a bit better with 5W30
we also have a very wide range of temperatures
bitter in Alaska
swealtering in Florida

does Audi recommend the 5W30, for say the middle east?

sib: http://www.audiusa.com/etc/medialib/cms ... 3.File.pdf