RS4 B5 vs RS4 B7

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Post by scillyisles » Mon Feb 28, 2005 12:42 pm

Nordschleife wrote:It is really easy to forget that the tyres make all the difference to lap times. The discussion here is about differences whichj are less than the differences which arise from changing to optimal 'road legal' track tyres. My friends with M3 CSLs have 3 sets of wheels - winter, spring & autumn, and summer. The summer tyres are lethal out of season and not even much good on wet roads. These are what the car is shipped with ex-factory. If you substitued these tyres for those which the Porsche Turbo and Lamborghini Gallardo have as standard, the relative ranking would change. This is especially true at the Ring as the M3 CSL is lacking in the top end on such a high speed circuit.
As I posted in another thread on CSL prices, the Cup tyres do make a difference to lap times but not as big a difference as you seem to suggest.
The factory default for a CSL was normal M3 19" wheels with normal tyres - you had to explicitly order the special CSl wheels and Cup tyres and also had to sign a disclaimer in order to have BMW provide them.
It's untrue to say that the Cups are lethal out of season or that they are'nt much good on wet roads. There are several M3 CSL owners here in the UK who run Cups year round - the particular conditions that Cup tyres don't like are temperatures lower than 7C or deep standing water when obviously their limited tread depth makes then very prone to aquaplane more than normal tyres. If you're aware of these two limitations then they're OK. With regard to your top end comment, I don't know whether the CSL that did the lap time at the Ring was derestricted but if it was then there is'nt much in it at top end speeds between it and the Porsche/Lamborghini.
As I commented on the other thread, the CSL even when shipped with CSL wheels and Cup tyres by BMW is'nt optimally set up (suspension wise) to get the best out of the tyres. Setting the suspension up to optimal Cup settings would undoubtedly see the 7.50 figure come down further.
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Post by Jani » Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:12 pm

Recent track tyre test showed an average speed of 111.2 km/h for Michelin Cups vs 108.0 km/h for a normal sport tyre ( 225/40-18 ). On the Ring that would equate about 15 seconds (assuming around 8.25 time to begin with).

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Post by Nordschleife » Mon Feb 28, 2005 2:19 pm

I wish I could remember when it was last over 7C here in Central Europe, -20C is forecast for tonight. Possibly the CSLs sold in the UK were rather more 'tailored' than those here in Munich.
As far as top speed goes, the M3 CSL is anaemic, there are huge differences when compared to Lamborghinis and 996 Turbos in practice.
The common concensus of opinion in Europe is that cup tyres make a difference of between 7 and 12 seconds per lap at the ring.
As to whether or not the Cup tyres are lethal out of season or in the wet, that is a matter of experience. They certainly do not cope with cold weather or wet roads at over 240 kph.

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RE: Re: RE: RS4 B5 vs RS4 B7

Post by AUDI|RS4 » Mon Mar 07, 2005 4:02 am

I have to say that the look on the new RS4 B7 are awesome. I think that it is a step in the right direction.
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RE: Re: RE: RS4 B5 vs RS4 B7

Post by JohnW » Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:43 am

AUDI|RS4,

can I politely suggest you fill in your profile a little more, and make an introduction post.

Looking at all the posts you made yesterday on almost every topic even remotely connected with the new B7, and in full support of it makes me (and I'm sure others) very wary of your motives.

Can I also suggest you have a bit more of a read of the existing posts rather than firing off a load of new polls, duplicate pictures, etc. It gets a bit dull reading the same post topics over & over, just started by a different person.

Its very commendable that you love the new RS4 so much, but please accept that some of us feel that way about our B5s ;)
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RE: Re: RE: RS4 B5 vs RS4 B7

Post by RS4ever » Mon Mar 07, 2005 1:25 pm

lol, John, you got him sussed too ;)

Is it my imagination or do you have a German accent, AUDI|RS4? :)

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RE: Re: RE: RS4 B5 vs RS4 B7

Post by AUDI|RS4 » Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:00 pm

Nope, no German accent. Live in FL! Haha!
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