Pictures of my inlet ports....

[ArthurPE]

Care to tell me about the Audi US forums
Care to review your posts from day 1, and your baseless vitriolic attacks on me. Art it is you who has appointed yourself as the Audi attack dog on carbon, that does not help the subject for you convince no-one.

case in point

[ArthurPE]

again, you are perfect, all others are wrong

everytime they agrree with facts & physics you attack them
you attack them for their opinion
you attack them for agreeing with me...

so it's my fault...errrr, OK
how about accepting responsibilty for your actions, and I''l do so for mine...

so, we modify ours, and you stay the same...seems reasonable...lol
but wait, you are 1/2 the problem, so that won't help...

PD & P_G are fine except when you are involved in the same discussion. Check it out. It has been clear to me they have felt a need to be supportive of your stance

My diagreements on 246 are nearly all to do with your attitude & your awful behaviour towards me. And others have suffered before I came, and since.

I reacted to the ganging up on me. You guys modify your behaviour and we will get along just fine.

[karl]

For Christ's sake give it up won't you?! People can make up their own minds about who is wrong and who is right. I know for a fact who is wrong here and we don't need this pointless bloody bickering, it's pathetic that this thread is now into this many pages!

[Sims]

so, we modify ours, and you stay the same...seems reasonable...lol
but wait, you are 1/2 the problem, so that won't help...

Let me help you with a bit of science.

Action gets reaction. As I stated earlier, I was reacting to you guys ganging up. I hope that helps you to solve the problem.

Karl is right. If you feel you need to know who is right, ask for a vote of confidence.

[ArthurPE]

you & science are mutually exclusive

you initiate most of the crap, not react to
no I won't 'prove' it or 'show' you
ganging up, I would say we were mutually defending ourselves from you viscous and unwarranted attacks...

my understanding of the science, 30 years experience and the conclusions I draw from such will trump yours or karls opinion on the subject
you are entitled to them, and you are entitled to be wrong...
karl was talking about deposits?
or he was 'taking sides' and making 'value judgements'?

physics isn't a popularity contest...>50% of the people think if you drop a bowling ball and a cue ball the bowling ball will fall faster...does that make it 'true'?

Let me help you with a bit of science.

Action gets reaction. As I stated earlier, I was reacting to you guys ganging up. I hope that helps you to solve the problem.

Karl is right. If you feel you need to know who is right, ask for a vote of confidence.

[ArthurPE]

and you all ignore the facts and the 'science' you wave like a flag...

1) how does it <beep> timing? what mechanism? detonation, pre-ig, mis-fire?

2) how can the fuel NOT be mixed
1500 psi, atomized, velocity >1000 ft/sec >>>> air stream, thorough mixing...
> higher than it's vapor pressure, soon as injected, vaporizes immediately...like releasing water >212F under pressure >>> gas/vapor
piston speed > air speed (90 vs 70 ft/sec or so), actual a vacuum pump
shot into the stream as it passes the nozzle, mixes with entire charge...
compressed o 12.5:1 reducing any gradient differences by the same factor

3) two cars recently cleaned, both modded
8.4 or socorrected, the same as all uncleaned, unmodded cars

adress thes facts instead of engaging in vile personal attacks, redirection and twisting words to suit your intent then using them to attack another...

[HYFR]

physics isn't a popularity contest...>50% of the people think if you drop a bowling ball and a cue ball the bowling ball will fall faster...does that make it 'true'?

[P_G]

Check what out Sims? PetrolDave and I support Art in his train of thought, is that what you are suggesting?

I would tend to believe the three of us arrive at the same conclusion. Karl and aka_dk probably are being nice about what the three of us have been suggesting to you.

It's funny as you appear to be the only one who has suffered abuse with exception perhaps to 2manytoys from ArthurPE. However I am sure you
will be able to advise on that more accurately....

PetroDave and others (and no I can't be bothered to name them because I have better things to do and I'm sure with your extensive research you'll find out who) have all reached the same same conclusion about yourself. In your quest to hold Audi answerable for carbon build up, DRC and warranty on the former two you personally have contributed no evidence to support your claims, merely taken others and manipulated it to suit your argument. Your thread on SRS is indicative of the provocative nature of your input in it's title.

Rearding DRC, why not conduct a survey of all the Audi franchise dealers in the UK you can develop ties with, find out how many RS4's they service and how many of them have had replacement DRC and then how many gen2 (redesigned) DRC has failed. I would suggest a good starting point is if you contact Rob at Camberely Audi as he appears to be an entrusted RS Mastertech by most on this forum he would give you a real world instance of DRC failure. And whilst you are about it, ask him his view on carbon deposits.

I have since asked 6 different Audi and ex-Audi master tech's, the latter who now run their own businesses their views on carbon build up in FSi engines, not just the RS4's, and they accept that carbon build up occurs but have seen very few cases in the overall numbers of these cars on the road with such significant issues that carbon build up is attributale to power loss in them; let alone having to open them up to clean them to make them work properly. Cleaning the head will no doubt give extra power short term and is probably just that, extra power, not takes it back up to where it should be. And I say probably because we still do not have an accurate way of measuring the suggested gains plus pre and post power points because dyno's are seen as inaccurate as is the 3k-8k rpm test.

If Audi thought it was such a huge issue they would do what BMW have done to certain BMW forums and have them shut down if they believed your claims. Certain franchises of Audi have suggested it may be an issue and I stand to be corrected on this however I am sure I have not seen Audi UK or Audi AG as either who have?

If I seem rude today it is only as a by-product of my immense frustration at you Sims and your dog with a bone like qualities, only the bone in question is not a real one but a toy one.

[Dom81]

Sims - you have destroyed this Forum.

A combination of mechanical ignorance and self restraint have prevented me from posting on any of these carbon threads. I can't let this go without comment though - especially as I have expressed the same to the site owners and other members in recent months.

Sims - you might be right about carbon, or you might be wrong. I have my view, but in light of my technical knowledge, this amounts to nothing more than opinion...

What I can see though - time and time again - is that your overwhelming obsession lowers every thread to sentence manipulation, obvious baiting and links to spurious external comment.

I have nothing against you personally - especially never having met - but empirically I agree with Dave 100%. You have destroyed the forum.

I continue to post here because I remember how this USED TO BE a good source of information and a place for discussing ownership issues. You have negated both of those benefits. I'm going on holiday now for a few weeks, and I very much doubt that I'll post here when I come back.

Please stick around Dave - you're a miserable bugger at times, but apart from vinyl wraps and DRC issues, you're invariably right! I for one would miss the input...

[scaghead]

I am not in a position to publish information for Audi since I do not work sims most of your posts today have been a bit tetchy, had a crap day at work or is it time of the month related

So you did read (& understand) the posts of May 14th. Maybe you should read them again before resorting to insults for some misguided reason.

maybe you should not add bits to my posts through quotes that is naughty fella...

[2manytoys]

It's a shame the conversation has gone this way. rs246 used to be pretty good.

Unfortunately Arthur brings out the worst in people (me included). If you look at the other sites, the ones that Arthur is on, most threads turn this way. I'm not having a go at Arthur, he is passionate, same as those on here.

I get worked up when he states the theory behind it says it shouldn't happen, but uses that as a way to say we, who have gone through it all in practice, are basically liars.

I think most get the theory, and expect that it shouldn't happen (and I'm glad he can provide it) but I think at least have the common courtesy to accept what we have experianced is different to what it should be like.

Anyway, hopefully things improve around here.

[Sims]

..... sims most of your posts today have been a bit tetchy, had a crap day at work or is it time of the month related

So you did read (& understand) the posts of May 14th. Maybe you should read them again before resorting to insults for some misguided reason.

maybe you should not add bits to my posts through quotes that is naughty fella...

scaghead, I had a look at this and yes you are right . more of the quote was included in my post than should have been - sorry. It should have been as corrected on this one.

[Sims]

Sims - you might be right about carbon, or you might be wrong. I have my view, but in light of my technical knowledge, this amounts to nothing more than opinion...

What I can see though - time and time again - is that your overwhelming obsession lowers every thread to sentence manipulation, obvious baiting and links to spurious external comment.

I have nothing against you personally - especially never having met - but empirically I agree with Dave 100%. You have destroyed the forum.

IMO there is no clear cut answers to the carbon issue, and I am not alone in that thinking This forum has enjoyed the benefit of external comment & input. Just because 1 party with a vested interest claims it is spurious , does not make it so. I am merely highlighting inconsistencies, that which you call manipulation.

The forum is much, much larger than the carbon issue. & any of us.

[Sims]

Your thread on SRS is indicative of the provocative nature of your input in it's title.

I am not sure what you mean.

I would suggest a good starting point is if you contact Rob at Camberely Audi as he appears to be an entrusted RS Mastertech by most on this forum he would give you a real world instance of DRC failure. And whilst you are about it, ask him his view on carbon deposits.

I have spoken to him, and he did tell me that almost every car that came in required work on the DRC. I have also suggested he should post on the forum. It is wrong to pretend it is a handful of percent of cars that have suffered DRC failure.

I have since asked 6 different Audi and ex-Audi master tech's, the latter who now run their own businesses their views on carbon build up in FSi engines, not just the RS4's, and they accept that carbon build up occurs but have seen very few cases in the overall numbers of these cars on the road with such significant issues that carbon build up is attributale to power loss in them; let alone having to open them up to clean them to make them work properly. Cleaning the head will no doubt give extra power short term and is probably just that, extra power, not takes it back up to where it should be. And I say probably because we still do not have an accurate way of measuring the suggested gains plus pre and post power points because dyno's are seen as inaccurate as is the 3k-8k rpm test.

remains an open question therefore.

If Audi thought it was such a huge issue they would do what BMW have done to certain BMW forums and have them shut down if they believed your claims. Certain franchises of Audi have suggested it may be an issue and I stand to be corrected on this however I am sure I have not seen Audi UK or Audi AG as either who have?

Which BMW forum? Not clear what you mean by Certain franchises of Audi have suggested it may be an issue..... Kindly clarify

If I seem rude today it is only as a by-product of my immense frustration at you Sims and your dog with a bone like qualities, only the bone in question is not a real one but a toy one.

You are fine.
A lot of good stuff has surfaced in the last few months, and it has been on this Audi forum.

[Sims]

I get worked up when he states the theory behind it says it shouldn't happen, but uses that as a way to say we, who have gone through it all in practice, are basically liars.

I think most get the theory, and expect that it shouldn't happen (and I'm glad he can provide it) but I think at least have the common courtesy to accept what we have experianced is different to what it should be like.
.

& to me it's the same with the DRC issue. The reality is so so different to the less than 1% theory/opinion.