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Post by Sims » Sun May 16, 2010 6:19 pm

P_G wrote: And what pray tell am I misguided about? This will amuse me for the rest of the evening unlike the majority of your contribution in this thread and other carbon related or '
Do please read the thread from May 14th onwards and it will be clear.

P_G wrote:Audi should fix everything that sounds like it might be wrong on our cars' threads.
That's just not true, and you ought to know better than that. I have highlighted 3 major issues:

Carbon build-up
DRC, and what happens after 5 years.
The prohibitive cost of the Audi warranty vis-avis BMW & Porsche.

Have a good evening. :)

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Post by Sims » Sun May 16, 2010 6:21 pm

aka_dk wrote:whenever an email is sent to an external address from any half decent company (i.e. Audi), at the bottom of the email it will state the email is confidential, so why goad someone to publish something confidential on a public forum
so you KNOW it's true what Art says. :)

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Post by HYFR » Sun May 16, 2010 6:23 pm

is that a question or a statement?

I dont KNOW if what he's saying is true, but im not going to call anyone a liar without evidence and will take him on his word, thats my choice

but I understand why he is not publishing to the whole world confidential and private correspondance

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Post by Sims » Sun May 16, 2010 6:30 pm

aka_dk wrote: I dont KNOW if what he's saying is true, but im not going to call anyone a liar without evidence and will take him on his word, thats my choice
I understand your choice.
aka_dk wrote: but I understand why he is not publishing to the whole world confidential and private correspondance
Then why even state it as the authority in a situation where the counter party has to rely on a statment made by a party with a vested interest. He is not stating it is his belief.

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Post by PetrolDave » Sun May 16, 2010 6:34 pm

Sims wrote:I was making it easy for you to provide an answer, and yet again you did not.
I've already made my position on the effect (lack of) of carbon deposits in the inlet manifold clear - I don't see any need to post it again.

Sims - you are a master at manipulating other peoples words to make it appear they are at fault, when actually all they are doing is refusing to mindlessly accept your agenda.

I continue to post here because I remember how this USED TO BE a good source of information and a place for discussing ownership issues. You have negated both of those benefits.

I'm going on holiday now for a few weeks, and I very much doubt that I'll post here when I come back.

Sims - you have destroyed this Forum.

The rest of you - when you persuade Sims that his input is as unwelcome as the input we used to get from RussianM3dude let me know and I'll return to make the contributions that so many of you have told me in PMs you find useful.

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Post by ArthurPE » Sun May 16, 2010 6:57 pm

he gave you an answer, many times, you just don't like...

no Q imapct, 2% at most, worse case
no timing impact, no one ever stated how or what mechanism would cause it
no possible mixture homogenity issue, convenient how the 'other cmp' ignore my post on this (except you who derailed it), hard facts don't lie

2 cars recently cleaned, both modded, both 8.6, corrected 8.4-8.5, same as all uncleaned cars...

-80HP would put you at 9.5+, NO one ever ran that high
Sims wrote: I was making it easy for you to provide an answer, and yet again you did not.

My suggestion did not preclude you from a debate & discussion. However, do please try to provide an executive summary as to whether or not you believe that carbon build up causes less than 2% impact on power & consumption and that there is no long term effect.

My question on carbon was a 2 lines in one paragraph. The rest of the "ramble" as you called dealt point by point with some other issues you had raised and opn which I disagreed with the data.

If at all there is "censorship", it is the ganging up, by a small number of old establlished members, on people who do raise this legitimate issue.

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Post by Sims » Sun May 16, 2010 6:57 pm

PetrolDave wrote:
Sims wrote:I was making it easy for you to provide an answer, and yet again you did not.
I've already made my position on the effect (lack of) of carbon deposits in the inlet manifold clear - I don't see any need to post it again.

Sims - you are a master at manipulating other peoples words to make it appear they are at fault, when actually all they are doing is refusing to mindlessly accept your agenda.

I continue to post here because I remember how this USED TO BE a good source of information and a place for discussing ownership issues. You have negated both of those benefits.

I'm going on holiday now for a few weeks, and I very much doubt that I'll post here when I come back.

Sims - you have destroyed this Forum.

The rest of you - when you persuade Sims that his input is as unwelcome as the input we used to get from RussianM3dude let me know and I'll return to make the contributions that so many of you have told me in PMs you find useful.
I am sorry you feel that way, but all I have done is question the status quo. I am interested in the RS4 as a long term proposition, and not short gratification.

I have not destroyed the forum, but brought about activity. Perhaps you ought to assess how many people left the forum before I joined but since the debate on carbon started.

I have even suggested that the carbon discussions should be in a sub-forum.

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Post by ArthurPE » Sun May 16, 2010 6:59 pm

Sims wrote:
ArthurPE wrote:
that is AUDI's position, not mine, at least the response I got when I emailed them
So publish it here. :lol:
ask youself, if you dare...
but alas, you won't get the answer you want...

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Post by ArthurPE » Sun May 16, 2010 7:00 pm

aka_dk wrote:whenever an email is sent to an external address from any half decent company (i.e. Audi), at the bottom of the email it will state the email is confidential, so why goad someone to publish something confidential on a public forum
bingo...

I would never disclose those anymore than I would my conversations with them...

I will share the gist, you assign value...

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Post by ArthurPE » Sun May 16, 2010 7:01 pm

Sims wrote: I am sorry you feel that way, but all I have done is question the status quo. I am interested in the RS4 as a long term proposition, and not short gratification.

I have not destroyed the forum, but brought about activity. Perhaps you ought to assess how many people left the forum before I joined but since the debate on carbon started.

I have even suggested that the carbon discussions should be in a sub-forum.
the 'status quo' is deposits cost 100 HP

those who feel it doesn't are the minority if you go by the posting...
but you can't really place too much weight on that

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Post by ArthurPE » Sun May 16, 2010 7:04 pm

that is EXACTLY what he does...never answers or contributes, always attacks...

please don't let him drive you away
take your vacation, enjoy yourself, forget about this place and hopefully after a break you'll be back, because you'll sure be missed...
PetrolDave wrote: I've already made my position on the effect (lack of) of carbon deposits in the inlet manifold clear - I don't see any need to post it again.

Sims - you are a master at manipulating other peoples words to make it appear they are at fault, when actually all they are doing is refusing to mindlessly accept your agenda.

I continue to post here because I remember how this USED TO BE a good source of information and a place for discussing ownership issues. You have negated both of those benefits.

I'm going on holiday now for a few weeks, and I very much doubt that I'll post here when I come back.

Sims - you have destroyed this Forum.

The rest of you - when you persuade Sims that his input is as unwelcome as the input we used to get from RussianM3dude let me know and I'll return to make the contributions that so many of you have told me in PMs you find useful.

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Post by Sims » Sun May 16, 2010 7:08 pm

ArthurPE wrote:
the 'status quo' is deposits cost 100 HP

those who feel it doesn't are the minority if you go by the posting...
but you can't really place too much weight on that
But the impression here is that it only costs up to 2% to power & consumption, and no long term effect.

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Post by ArthurPE » Sun May 16, 2010 7:13 pm

Sims wrote:
ArthurPE wrote:
the 'status quo' is deposits cost 100 HP

those who feel it doesn't are the minority if you go by the posting...
but you can't really place too much weight on that
But the impression here is that it only costs up to 2% to power & consumption, and no long term effect.
that is 'impression' to some, 'fact' to others...

sims, I don't know what your game is, but chasing people away like dave, and giving crap to guys like P-G is not good for the forum, me, I'm fair game...

you diminish this place...you have a right to be here, but you don't have a right to ruin it for other members...

I hope you can modify your behaviour, becasue you chased me away for a while, now Dave, and I'm sure he won't be the last...

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Post by Sims » Sun May 16, 2010 7:14 pm

ArthurPE wrote:that is EXACTLY what he does...never answers or contributes, always attacks...
Care to tell me about the Audi US forums :)
Care to review your posts from day 1, and your baseless vitriolic attacks on me. Art it is you who has appointed yourself as the Audi attack dog on carbon, that does not help the subject for you convince no-one.

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Post by Sims » Sun May 16, 2010 7:24 pm

ArthurPE wrote: sims, I don't know what your game is, but chasing people away like dave, and giving crap to guys like P-G is not good for the forum, me, I'm fair game...
PD & P_G are fine except when you are involved in the same discussion. Check it out. It has been clear to me they have felt a need to be supportive of your stance

ArthurPE wrote: you diminish this place...you have a right to be here, but you don't have a right to ruin it for other members...
My diagreements on 246 are nearly all to do with your attitude & your awful behaviour towards me. And others have suffered before I came, and since.
ArthurPE wrote: I hope you can modify your behaviour, becasue you chased me away for a while, now Dave, and I'm sure he won't be the last...
I reacted to the ganging up on me. You guys modify your behaviour and we will get along just fine. :wink:

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