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Post by Sims » Thu May 27, 2010 12:54 pm

jonathonturner wrote:given the value of our cars, i think the audi warranty is the onyl real option.
Agree 100%
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stuff does fail, but if you have peace of mind, you can drive it how god intended and know that its covered.

its not that dear if you think about the cost of your car.
Correct, but how come Porsche & BMW warranties are cheaper when their cars are as and more sophisticated and even more expensive and DRC is already covered by Audi for 5 years/75K miles.

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Post by Sims » Thu May 27, 2010 5:50 pm

aka_dk wrote:Sims, wouldnt it be a good idea to approach the dealers and get them on board ?
Spoke to the after-sales manager at Camberley Audi - very positive and understanding of the situation.

It is clear dealers are as unhappy as we are about the hike in warranty costs in January from circa £1,200 to £1655.

Warranty company reps are telling them it is because of the high "burn rate". Make of it what you want...

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Post by B2DUG » Thu May 27, 2010 8:19 pm

I'm in the same position come mid July. I'm awaiting a quote from Warranty Direct but just got this quote from Warrantywise with £120 vat inclusive Audi labour rate, no excess and including wear & tear:

Model: AUDI RS4 Avant 2007
Current Mileage: 28000
Fuel Type: PETROL
Engine Size: 4163CC

PAY AS YOU GO - £130.03 a month until you cancel
12 Months Cover - £1,170.31 - pay £390.10 a month over the next 3 months
24 Months Cover - £1,867.99 - pay £622.66 a month over the next 3 months
36 Months Cover - £2,568.56

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Post by Sims » Fri May 28, 2010 4:41 pm

B2DUG wrote:I'm in the same position come mid July. I'm awaiting a quote from Warranty Direct but just got this quote from Warrantywise with £120 vat inclusive Audi labour rate, no excess and including wear & tear:..
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I do know that Audi UK are very mindful of owner concerns on this matter. Before pressing the button on the Warranty Direct policy, you may want to speak to Audi Customer Services 0800 699888 for they are keen for owners to keep Audi policies - a bigger pool is better for all parties. It'd also easier for you if anything does go wrong.


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Post by ArthurPE » Fri May 28, 2010 7:02 pm

Sims wrote: Correct, but how come Porsche & BMW warranties are cheaper when their cars are as and more sophisticated and even more expensive and DRC is already covered by Audi for 5 years/75K miles.
they are not cheaper...at least in the US they are comparable, or in some cases more expensive...

BMW covers the e46 M3 engine with an extended warranty for 100k miles and yet do not credit (reduce) the standard warranty costs...

the cars are of similar complexity and price...
in fact if you factor in the quattro the Audi may be more complex
but on whole, they are similar....

in my case the 6 year/100k mile Audi CPO warranty was essentially free, because there were cars of similar mileage and condition without it costing the same, and in some cases had higher mileage, cost more, and did NOT have the CPO warranty....

these things need sorted out BEFORE you buy the car, not lamented after...

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Post by Sims » Fri May 28, 2010 7:37 pm

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Sims wrote: Correct, but how come Porsche & BMW warranties are cheaper when their cars are as and more sophisticated and even more expensive and DRC is already covered by Audi for 5 years/75K miles.
they are not cheaper...at least in the US they are comparable, or in some cases more expensive...

BMW covers the e46 M3 engine with an extended warranty for 100k miles and yet do not credit (reduce) the standard warranty costs...

the cars are of similar complexity and price...
in fact if you factor in the quattro the Audi may be more complex
but on whole, they are similar....

in my case the 6 year/100k mile Audi CPO warranty was essentially free, because there were cars of similar mileage and condition without it costing the same, and in some cases had higher mileage, cost more, and did NOT have the CPO warranty....

these things need sorted out BEFORE you buy the car, not lamented after...
The concerns raised are by those in the UK - what happens in the US is irrelevant.

And clearly you cannot be expected understand all the detail, and so frankly cannot really add value to this discussion so it would best we do not digress from the core discussion please.

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Post by Sims » Fri May 28, 2010 9:14 pm

On new car purchases, there is now an option to purchase an extra 2 years extended warranty (over and above the 3) for less than £1k. The warranty is provided by the manufacturer, and is not an insured product like the current warranty.

Audi expect a very high uptake for this option, available only at time of vehicle purchase - a no brainer as they say.

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Post by ArthurPE » Fri May 28, 2010 9:16 pm

the complexity of the cars applies to all markets, I'm sure understand that
so contrary to what you stated, a BMW or Porsche is not more complex than an Audi...that's plain silly...
so is the assumption that Audi is remiss by not reducing the warranty cost just becasue there is a seperate warranty on a individual component, nobody does that, Porsche, Audi or BMW...

what happens in the US is relevant to those in the US
and in most cases, to others
it was you who asked what the deposit issue was like in the US in a previous post...

after checking, aftermarket warranties for Audi, Porsche and BMW are similar, in fact contrary to what you assert, Porsche warranties are more expensive, and BMW are approximately the same, but definitely not more
what you postulated is not accurate

I will participate as I choose, your 'permission' is not required or desired, lol
perhaps you would be better off letting others decide the value of my content since you seem to be jaded and antogonistic when it comes to me (and others)

if you don't like it, avoid it, simple
Sims wrote: The concerns raised are by those in the UK - what happens in the US is irrelevant.

And clearly you cannot be expected understand all the detail, and so frankly cannot really add value to this discussion so it would best we do not digress from the core discussion please.

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Post by Sims » Fri May 28, 2010 9:36 pm

ArthurPE wrote:the complexity of the cars applies to all markets, I'm sure understand that
so contrary to what you stated, a BMW or Porsche is not more complex than an Audi...that's plain silly...
so is the assumption that Audi is remiss by not reducing the warranty cost just becasue there is a seperate warranty on a individual component, nobody does that, Porsche, Audi or BMW...

what happens in the US is relevant to those in the US
and in most cases, to others
it was you who asked what the deposit issue was like in the US in a previous post...

after checking, aftermarket warranties for Audi, Porsche and BMW are similar, in fact contrary to what you assert, Porsche warranties are more expensive, and BMW are approximately the same, but definitely not more
what you postulated is not accurate

I will participate as I choose, your 'permission' is not required or desired, lol
perhaps you would be better off letting others decide the value of my content since you seem to be jaded and antogonistic when it comes to me (and others)

if you don't like it, avoid it, simple
Give it a rest ArthurPe, do not contaminate the warranty thread.

Since you have checked all the warranty costs, I am sure you will tell us what you found, and how the cover varies.

I bear you no ill-will.

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Post by ArthurPE » Fri May 28, 2010 9:48 pm

you just can't help yourself can you? lol

I did not look at coverage in detail, but only at pricing comparisons for 997/M3/RS4, Porsche more $$$, RS4 & M3 ~ equal, minor advantage Audi

coverage appeared the same in most, since some were from the same after market supplier...
I would assume this also applies to factory backed efforts, especially for Porsche & Audi, since they share a corporate connection, both owned by VW correct?

a warranty is a hedge or a short contract (you hope the cost of repairs exceeds the cost of warranty, lol)
obviously the majority of the time they do not pay off or the companies would not be in business...they do provided peace of mind at a cost...
contrary to what is bantered about on the internet serious, expensive problems are rare on modern vehicles, and I would guess even more unlikely that they would be covered by most aftermarket warranties, lol

I read some research and the average consumer is better off banking the money for future use than purchasing any extended warranty, be it a car, electronics, HVAC equipment, etc.
but the common fear is it only takes one time to make you regret not having a warranty...
and most people are not logically based entities, they think with their 'gut'...
Sims wrote: Give it a rest ArthurPe, do not contaminate the warranty thread.

Since you have checked all the warranty costs, I am sure you will tell us what you found, and how the cover varies.

I bear you no ill-will.

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Post by Sims » Fri May 28, 2010 9:58 pm

ArthurPE wrote:you just can't help yourself can you? lol

I did not look at coverage in detail, but only at pricing comparisons for 997/M3/RS4, Porsche more $$$, RS4 & M3 ~ equal, minor advantage Audi

coverage appeared the same in most, since some were from the same after market supplier...
I would assume this also applies to factory backed efforts, especially for Porsche & Audi, since they share a corporate connection, both owned by VW correct?

a warranty is a hedge or a short contract (you hope the cost of repairs exceeds the cost of warranty, lol)
obviously the majority of the time they do not pay off or the companies would not be in business...they do provided peace of mind at a cost...
contrary to what is bantered about on the internet serious, expensive problems are rare on modern vehicles, and I would guess even more unlikely that they would be covered by most aftermarket warranties, lol

I read some research and the average consumer is better off banking the money for future use than purchasing any extended warranty, be it a car, electronics, HVAC equipment, etc.
but the common fear is it only takes one time to make you regret not having a warranty...
and most people are not logically based entities, they think with their 'gut'...
Just provide the exact numbers your research unearthed. And the difference in cover rather than making sweeping comments like "after checking, aftermarket warranties for Audi, Porsche and BMW are similar, in fact contrary to what you assert, Porsche warranties are more expensive, and BMW are approximately the same, but definitely not more
what you postulated is not accurate


Audi UK acknowledge the problem, but clearly you know different.

if you have nothing specific to add to the UK extended warranty scene, it is wrong for you to make misleading statements.

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Post by HYFR » Fri May 28, 2010 10:20 pm

Sims wrote:.... The warranty is provided by the manufacturer, and is not an insured product like the current warranty.
are you 100% about that Sims? I think it is still an insurance product as per status quo

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Post by ArthurPE » Fri May 28, 2010 10:24 pm

there are no 'exact' numbers, there is a range...

I'm sure if you check you will find the same, Audi's warranty (or aftermarket) are no more expensive than BMW's, and less than Porsches

where did Audi 'acknowledge the problem'? by offereing an extended warranty? perhaps they do so because they know it's a low risk, high margin business decision, a 'no brainer' as they have told you...lol
and if they do have problems they can be solved for much less, becasue they buy at cost and have massive buying power, not to mention a dealership network at their beckon call...I wouldn't call that an admission of some sort or 'fault' with their current system, but smart business and marketing strategy...
then again I'm a glass 1/2 full sort of guy, and well, you appear to be of a different mindset...everything is NOT a PROBLEM

the only person making misleading statements is you:
-Audi warranties are more expensive...not true
-BMW/Porsches are more technically complex...not true
-Audi is remiss in not discounting their warranty due to extended warranty on specific components, no manufacturers do that, so all are remiss, or it is standard practice and not somehow cheating the customer...
-trying to stifle me...wrong

Sims wrote:
Just provide the exact numbers your research unearthed. And the difference in cover rather than making sweeping comments like "after checking, aftermarket warranties for Audi, Porsche and BMW are similar, in fact contrary to what you assert, Porsche warranties are more expensive, and BMW are approximately the same, but definitely not more
what you postulated is not accurate


Audi UK acknowledge the problem, but clearly you know different.

if you have nothing specific to add to the UK extended warranty scene, it is wrong for you to make misleading statements.

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Post by ArthurPE » Fri May 28, 2010 10:30 pm

here's Audi's new car current policy & pricing http://www.audi.co.uk/owners-area/suppo ... ranty.html
BMW and Porsche have similar info available

used cars http://www.audi.co.uk/used-cars/approve ... antee.html
it looks better than ours in some ways, no mileage limitation, only time

Extended Warranty (excluding Audi Roadside Assistance) is arranged by Mondial UK and is underwritten by ELVIA Travel Insurance International NV (Netherlands) and administered in the United Kingdom by Mondial Assistance (UK) Limited.

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Post by Sims » Fri May 28, 2010 11:38 pm

ArthurPE wrote:there are no 'exact' numbers, there is a range...

I'm sure if you check you will find the same, Audi's warranty (or aftermarket) are no more expensive than BMW's, and less than Porsches

where did Audi 'acknowledge the problem'? by offereing an extended warranty? perhaps they do so because they know it's a low risk, high margin business decision, a 'no brainer' as they have told you...lol
and if they do have problems they can be solved for much less, becasue they buy at cost and have massive buying power, not to mention a dealership network at their beckon call...I wouldn't call that an admission of some sort or 'fault' with their current system, but smart business and marketing strategy...
then again I'm a glass 1/2 full sort of guy, and well, you appear to be of a different mindset...everything is NOT a PROBLEM

the only person making misleading statements is you:
-Audi warranties are more expensive...not true
-BMW/Porsches are more technically complex...not true
-Audi is remiss in not discounting their warranty due to extended warranty on specific components, no manufacturers do that, so all are remiss, or it is standard practice and not somehow cheating the customer...
-trying to stifle me...wrong

Oce again we do not have an answer, but confrontation.

How about specifics - tell me about the EXACT extended warranty costs on a 2007 RS4 (that's the car & year we are talking about mostly for this discussion at say 30k miles, and the same for a 997s & a BMW M3. You have 2 weeks to find out :lol:

And while you are it, may I also have a detailed comparison of the cover offered.

And if you feel so inclined, you could do the same for a 2005/6/ or7 RS6-v-M5 -v- 997 Turbo.

Thank you and goodbye.... :thumb:

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