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Post by Sims » Sun May 09, 2010 8:45 pm

2manytoys wrote:So all these people get on here and some how produce pictures and figures very similar. You say they are all making it up? That's ridiculous. Most have found it's carbon after many other tests have happened. For me, it was Audi that found it, not me. They are they ones that wanted to clean it, they are the ones that said it was the fix. All I did was post up the process until Audi found the problem. Obviously someone in Audi knows something you don't.

I think people argue with you so much because they hope that one day you will put all that "knowledge" and inside information you have to good use and help them (that's what forums are about)

Those that have Carbon Buildup and have cleaned it, and had the power return, are looking for answers. If you are a person that can help, then help. Don't just deny that it exists, because as you don't like it, you are insulting the intelligence of the very good people here willing to share information for others benefit. Like me, I bet they have absoulutely no ties to Audi, nothing to gain, and are not even in the motor industry.

Agree with all this, and I have praised Arthur's technical knowledge.

Has he shared the details of 3k-8k data he has been gathering, and he bandies about as it is the holy grail and yet even a layman would know it is riddled with so many variables.. Why does he not share it?

Has carried out tests of any sort on his car, and shared with us? I don't know if he has.
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Post by Sims » Sun May 09, 2010 8:57 pm

ArthurPE wrote:I'm not by a long shot the only one who has noticed the degradation of content since 'before' and 'after' sims...
And many have noticed the degradation started with you joining the forum. And I chose to challenge you, as others have done.

ArthurPE wrote: I didn't leave, I took a break, perhaps you should consider such
re: O2, look at your post count vs time on board, vs. mine
Now you change your story. Check your own post.
I posted a lot in the early days of my RS4 ownership on carbon, DRC and the warranty. + intro of the RS5. Since day 1 you have been riding you one trick carbon denial pony, and only that.

ArthurPE wrote: why don't we just let the members decide the value of our posts?
what's sad is you really care about what impression people form of you from the INTERNET! that is downright pathetic...
Indeed. You are the guy that posts personal data like how much you earn, about your company etc etc.
ArthurPE wrote: honestly, the greater good would be served by your departure...that's a given
it still is in doubt about mine;)
I made you an offer, you did not accept. :lol:

If JR wants me to leave the forum, I will leave knowing that at least your language improved during my currency and that the carbon discussion did not get supressed.

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Post by ArthurPE » Sun May 09, 2010 9:04 pm

sims, I've never complained to the mods about you...it doesn't really matter...
you are getting a bit wound up, relax, if you are going to sling shyte, expect a face full...
no one owes you anything, no explanations, no 'reasons', no 'proof'...
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Post by Sims » Sun May 09, 2010 9:04 pm

scaghead wrote:.. sims after reading this post i think you are getting paranoid fella maybe banning yourself for a couple of weeks might do you a favour. take a little timeout for your sanity

I get PM's too :lol:

Appreciate your input, and I am happy to take more than 2 weeks out but will that close the debate on carbon here or elsewhere?

Maybe we should have carbon forum within the RS4 B7 forum, that is available to view only on application.

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Post by Sims » Sun May 09, 2010 9:08 pm

ArthurPE wrote: no one owes you anything, no explanations, no 'reasons', no 'proof'...
So how about providing your great 3k to 8k figures to the forum from whence you got the data? Or they do not serve your agenda?

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Post by ArthurPE » Sun May 09, 2010 9:12 pm

Sims wrote:
So how about providing your great 3k to 8k figures to the forum from whence you got the data? Or they do not serve your agenda?
I was talking about your personal agenda & style, and how others percieve that, and how you demand that others give you 'proof' everytime they make a comment about you demeanor and/or tone...

not technical subject matter...

stop being so defensive...again, NO ONE CARES, about you, me, etc.
stay on point

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Post by Sims » Sun May 09, 2010 9:18 pm

SR71 wrote:
If you're not interested in contributing, fine.

If you're interested in contributing, fine.

What ain't fine is trying to throttle the debate. The way I see it, only the moderator retains that right.

But I'm just staggered that there are still people who can think that an engine that does this to itself within the space of 2-3 years(?) is OK even if you believe it doesn't affect performance or longevity.

At what point are owners going to say there IS a problem, if what you see in the image isn't?

Audi can do better than spit out DI equipped cars which do this to themselves.

After all, I'm sure someone said:

"Ain't rocket science."
Good post. Would any prospective RS5 purchaser sign on the dotted line as quickly if he was provided some of the pics we have seen, and information we have on this forum.

Would anyone here have bought an RS4 in 2006/7 for £55k if they had been presented with this data. or been told the DRC will need replacing.

Is it in Audi's interest for this issue not to surface whilst some cars ar still within warranty?

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Post by Sims » Sun May 09, 2010 9:24 pm

ArthurPE wrote:.. NO ONE CARES, about you, me, etc.
We can agree on that :)

But I do care about the carbon buildup, you don't.

I am concerned about the DRC long term, you don't for it does not affect US cars.

I am concerned at the excessive warranty cost, does not affect you.

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Post by P_G » Sun May 09, 2010 9:25 pm

Sims wrote:
ArthurPE wrote: no one owes you anything, no explanations, no 'reasons', no 'proof'...
So how about providing your great 3k to 8k figures to the forum from whence you got the data? Or they do not serve your agenda?
If you go on to the 'Request for Data Logger' thread IIRC there was an Excel spreadsheet attachement on there with the times you are asking for?

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Post by Sims » Sun May 09, 2010 9:28 pm

P_G wrote:
Sims wrote:
ArthurPE wrote: no one owes you anything, no explanations, no 'reasons', no 'proof'...
So how about providing your great 3k to 8k figures to the forum from whence you got the data? Or they do not serve your agenda?
If you go on to the 'Request for Data Logger' thread IIRC there was an Excel spreadsheet attachement on there with the times you are asking for?
Thanks, I will look it up tomorrow when I have some time.

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Post by ArthurPE » Sun May 09, 2010 9:29 pm

yes, becasue it looks bad, but is not bad...
the RS5 is coming to the States, I may consider it
it will have deposits (ALL DI do, Porsche, Ferrari, BMW, etc.)

I bought mine after reading bunches (and doing research) on the internet about deposits...I came to the conclusion it is not an issue, no power loss

people are still buying used RS4's everyday, depsite all the hype re: deposits and false HP ratings...go figure

Audi doesn't care: they are researching the issue, and seem to be of the opinion, it's not a issue...if it a design flaw, like a lot of people are saying (it is not, it's a natural by-product of the process), you can sue and seek remedy any time, ot only during warranty, especially if they knew about it and lied to avoid doing something....

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Sims wrote: Good post. Would any prospective RS5 purchaser sign on the dotted line as quickly if he was provided some of the pics we have seen, and information we have on this forum.

Would anyone here have bought an RS4 in 2006/7 for £55k if they had been presented with this data. or been told the DRC will need replacing.

Is it in Audi's interest for this issue not to surface whilst some cars ar still within warranty?

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Post by ArthurPE » Sun May 09, 2010 9:31 pm

P_G wrote: If you go on to the 'Request for Data Logger' thread IIRC there was an Excel spreadsheet attachement on there with the times you are asking for?
I was wondering how long it would take, lol

that is early on, I have maybe 10 times the data now...
I've gathered it from many different forums...

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Post by sonny » Sun May 09, 2010 10:14 pm

Sims wrote:Maybe we should have carbon forum within the RS4 B7 forum, that is available to view only on application.
Damn that is the best idea I have read on here, then you guys can share the love as much as you can without any outside interference! :wink:
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Post by mark758 » Sun May 09, 2010 10:26 pm

I think it is an interesting point raised....the RS5 has an RS4 engine with an upgraded intake system....Are there any other changes?
It would seem to make very liitle commercial sense to make an existing problem worse?
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Post by 2manytoys » Sun May 09, 2010 11:34 pm

Back on the topic of timing (it was raised a few posts ago)

I'm not sure if I posted this before, but while logging timing, (remember, air temp of 25C timing was only between 18-22 degrees) I heard the car ping all of a sudden. The logged showed timing being pulled right down to zero (I think zero as the scale was set to automatic, but in any case the line hit the bottom of the graph). I'm assuming this happened because bits of hot carbon falling off the valves. When I saw a picture of my valve with carbon that had fallen off, I was pretty sure this is what causes the pinging.

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