My Water Meth Installation thread

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My Water Meth Installation thread

Post by TonyHayers » Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:02 am

I've been toying with the idea of Water Meth injection for a while now. After doing some research, I bought the new Aquamist HFS-2 v3 system and started the installation over the weekend. The kit pretty much includes everything you need (except the tank), including a bunch of different size jets.

As a bit of background, my objectives with water meth are mainly: (1) reduce air intake temps, which RS4 appears particularly sensitive to, and (2) provide cleaning effect to combat carbon buildup. There are a few other debatable benefits e.g an *effective* octane boost if using low octane fuel - but they don't really interest me much.

The installation roughly breaks down into 4 chunks:

1) Wiring: connect and route the various inputs/output for the control unit (which I'm locating in the glove box), mainly from glove box to engine bay, but also one cable from boot to glove box.
2) Running the water meth line from boot up to engine bay.
3) Engine bay work: split and relocate MAF/IAT sensors, fit "fast acting valve" and the actual jet into the intake pipe.
4) Fitting tank and pump in boot.



The wiring work is probably the bit I expected to be trickiest so I wanted to crack it first...

The Aquamist HFS-2 uses fuel injector duty cycle (F-IDC) as the main sensor input, which is what attracted me to that product really, especially for our N/A vehicles where we don't have boost to probe. As an aside, some of the cheaper systems use things like MAF voltage to control flow rate but I'm not convinced that's the best way tbh. With this Aquamist kit, your water meth injection system is acting in a very similar way to what the fuel injectors are doing.

There is also a new "aux" input that isn't currently documented, which adds another layer of accuracy to the injection - but I don't think it's been publicly announced yet (but I'll update this as soon as it is).

So, here's the basic wiring diagram...
(The HFS-2 kit doesn't include the dash gauge (just a button instead) or the flow sensor)

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The first cable I ran was the "trunk" cable from the boot to the glove box, which deals with pump relay switching and the tank level sensor. The best route is to follow the battery cables left out of the spare tyre well into the side of the boot, then round the left hand side of the rear bench, and then follow the path of some existing looms into the channelling which runs from rear left passenger footwell straight forward underneath the left of the passenger seat up to the glove box area.

This means removing the left boot trim, removing the rear bench and seat backs, removing the passenger seat, inner sill trim and glove box. Phew. None of it is particularly tricky but I think it is quicker just to rip it all out and get proper access to run the cable through the proper channelling than to try and fiddle it.

Boot trim and rear seats removed:

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After routing the trunk cable:

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If you bought your car second-hand (or maybe if you didn't) - be prepared for a shock when you remove the rear bench. I found this little collection!...

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Passenger seat and sill trim removed (which enables the carpet to be pulled back revealing the cable trunking)...

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This trunking ends up behind the carpet on the bottom left of the glove box. So you can sent the wire all the way along this channel and up behind the glove box. I used copious amounts of cable ties and cloth tape to limit the chances of snagging/chafing.

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I then needed to find a suitable path from the engine bay through to the passenger compartment. I found a very suitable unused grommet underneath the pollen filter housing where the cables from the engine bay can be safely routed through.

I removed the pollen/cabin filter housing to give a bit more space and then very carefully punctured a small hole in the rubbery inner lining so the cables could be fished through to passenger compartment. To do this, I used a stiff piece of earth cable and taped each connector to the cable and pulled them through one-by-one. To prevent snagging, I taped all round the connectors so there was nothing to catch and damage the connector when pulling through.

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I'm going to locate the FAV in the left hand-side of the engine bay, so for now I cable-tied it in place to stop it bashing around and fed the cable through the large grommet nearby into the plenum chamber and then, like the others, through the grommet near the pollen filter housing into the passenger compartment.

Next up, getting access to the ECU connector wires...
Last edited by TonyHayers on Sat May 11, 2013 12:21 am, edited 2 times in total.
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DONE: Water Meth Injection, Carbon clean at 64k, CAI, Gutted Precats, Non-res x-pipe, H&R 8mm spacers, H&R springs
^ GONE :cry:

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Re: My Water Meth Installation thread

Post by Gavla » Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:41 am

Awesome work Tony! :thumbs:

I was toying with the idea of doing this. I had a conversation with Matt at AudiSuperChargers.com who was considering developing a kit (using Aquamist) but I think the projects gone on the back burner.

Will watch this space with interest. :)
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Re: My Water Meth Installation thread

Post by Timster » Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:07 pm

Bagsy the Dairy Milk chocolate bar !

(looks like the car was previously owned by a "secret eater".)
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Re: My Water Meth Installation thread

Post by TonyHayers » Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:12 pm

Timster wrote:Bagsy the Dairy Milk chocolate bar !

(looks like the car was previously owned by a "secret eater".)
It's yours, only 7 years old, shiny wrapper and a bit bendy in the middle (bit like an rs4 cabriolet).
06 Phantom Black Saloon:
DONE: Water Meth Injection, Carbon clean at 64k, CAI, Gutted Precats, Non-res x-pipe, H&R 8mm spacers, H&R springs
^ GONE :cry:

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Re: My Water Meth Installation thread

Post by MikeFish » Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:43 pm

Lol, I found a similar treasure trove under my back seat when I was installing the amps for my car stereo.

And lol @ the RS4 cabriolet comment.

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Re: My Water Meth Installation thread

Post by esp_mm-270 » Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:00 pm

Can water meth hurt our engines? Or potential to?
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Re: My Water Meth Installation thread

Post by TonyHayers » Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:18 pm

esp_mm-270 wrote:Can water meth hurt our engines? Or potential to?
We're talking here about a very fine, atomised mist entering the inlet tract at very high speed, and in proportion to fuel injector duty cycle. That's the key IMV.

If you live in the UK, your engine will be very used to having fine water mist entering the inlet tract.

Of course, anything has the *potential* to hurt your engine if you do something silly :)
06 Phantom Black Saloon:
DONE: Water Meth Injection, Carbon clean at 64k, CAI, Gutted Precats, Non-res x-pipe, H&R 8mm spacers, H&R springs
^ GONE :cry:

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Post by esp_mm-270 » Tue Apr 30, 2013 4:56 pm

That'd be great as really want to reduce intake carbon build up :audibash:

I've been doing my own research in to this and I see a few sites/forums say that it can be damaging. Along with what you said in response there is a lot of mis-information out there on the net. Also I'm not as far along as yourself with respect to gathering info so this makes for both fascinating and relevant reading for me :)

Edit Yes, I am in UK so as you said..... :)
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Post by scaghead » Tue Apr 30, 2013 6:20 pm

I'll take the stimulater battery tony...
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Re: My Water Meth Installation thread

Post by TonyHayers » Tue Apr 30, 2013 6:49 pm

scaghead wrote:I'll take the stimulater battery tony...
Sorry, I need that :oops:
06 Phantom Black Saloon:
DONE: Water Meth Injection, Carbon clean at 64k, CAI, Gutted Precats, Non-res x-pipe, H&R 8mm spacers, H&R springs
^ GONE :cry:

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Re: My Water Meth Installation thread

Post by hlbeckley » Tue Apr 30, 2013 7:56 pm

I looked at meth as an option on my B6 S4 as opposed to supercharger route as it was 1/3 rd cost and gave really good power lift!

Does the same apply? Any idea output?
The carbon benefits are massive seller to me

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Post by WillRS » Tue Apr 30, 2013 8:38 pm

I knew i'd eventually find where all my biros go - bit of a surprise to find them there but at least I know now!
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Re: My Water Meth Installation thread

Post by TonyHayers » Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:47 pm

hlbeckley wrote:I looked at meth as an option on my B6 S4 as opposed to supercharger route as it was 1/3 rd cost and gave really good power lift!

Does the same apply? Any idea output?
The carbon benefits are massive seller to me
Not sure of gains, will prob dyno with it on and off eventually to see what the figures are. You'd certainly see bigger differences over in SA with the ambient temps compared to here in the UK tho.
06 Phantom Black Saloon:
DONE: Water Meth Injection, Carbon clean at 64k, CAI, Gutted Precats, Non-res x-pipe, H&R 8mm spacers, H&R springs
^ GONE :cry:

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Re: My Water Meth Installation thread

Post by hlbeckley » Wed May 01, 2013 6:49 pm

Keep the thread alive and let us know how it goes! Could be right up my alley me thinks

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Re: My Water Meth Installation thread

Post by hlbeckley » Wed May 01, 2013 6:50 pm

Oh and please :)

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