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Nitrogen in your tyres?

Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 3:32 pm
by vw_nutta
when I was ringing around, one garage said they offered a service to fill your tyres with nitrogen ( I think that was the gas they said), he said it means your tyres will never lose pressure and this results in better tyre grip.

Is this true? Anyone tried this or heard of it?

The garage is very reputable and not shoddy at all, so I kinda think he must be telling the truth.

Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 4:22 pm
by tricky
Given that the majority of our atmosphere is in fact made up of nitrogen, I'm not entirely sure how removing the remaining elements would prevent pressure loss and improve grip. Unless improved grip was as a consequence of no pressure loss. Get them to give you the low down, I'd love to hear it!

Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 7:38 pm
by Morpheous
Think what they are referring to is nitrogen filled tyres will remain at the same pressure regardless of temperature.
With normal compressed air, as tyres heat up, the pressure inside the tyre increases. This is why you should not set your pressures after blasting down the motorway for hours, cos next morning when cold, the pressure will have reduced. Not that much of a prob unless U got tyre pressure monitoring i.e. RS6 when the warning light comes on saying loss of pressure.
As to NEVER loosing pressure is a bit misleading cos u can still get punctures.

Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 10:09 pm
by BRETTCOLLINS
been running my S4 tyres on nitrogen for six months now, have found that all tyres have stayed at the same pressure (36 psi) seems to work for me.

Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 2:00 pm
by Dippy
Morpheous wrote:Think what they are referring to is nitrogen filled tyres will remain at the same pressure regardless of temperature.
With normal compressed air, as tyres heat up, the pressure inside the tyre increases. This is why you should not set your pressures after blasting down the motorway for hours, cos next morning when cold, the pressure will have reduced. Not that much of a prob unless U got tyre pressure monitoring i.e. RS6 when the warning light comes on saying loss of pressure.
As to NEVER loosing pressure is a bit misleading cos u can still get punctures.
I always check my tyre pressures cold. So how much does a tyre pressure typically rise by when hot? Presumably the idea of setting the cold pressure to a certain value is so that it is 'correct' when hot?

Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 2:09 pm
by jonno1
Filled mine with Helium. Apparently my car is somewhere over the Atlantic at the moment. :roll:

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 2:49 pm
by jeffw
I think you'll find that it actually has to do with the water vapour that is present in normal compressed air. Increases of temperature will change the pressure due to this water vapour. It is common to use inert gases (Helium, Nitrogen etc) for tyres in racing circles to reduce this change in pressure. You'll need to have your tyres purged to get the maximum benefit.

Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 7:55 pm
by Nordschleife
Most race series regulations today exclude the use of anything other than compressed air for the tyres. This is fine as you only need one set of bottles for the jacks, stutter guns and tyre inflation. Extra N bottles would just be another thing to lug around and a pia - but if N is not prohibited in your race series use it, stable pressures are much easier when it comes to extracting the final few .01 sec

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 12:46 am
by DavidT
Dippy wrote:
Morpheous wrote:Think what they are referring to is nitrogen filled tyres will remain at the same pressure regardless of temperature.
With normal compressed air, as tyres heat up, the pressure inside the tyre increases. This is why you should not set your pressures after blasting down the motorway for hours, cos next morning when cold, the pressure will have reduced. Not that much of a prob unless U got tyre pressure monitoring i.e. RS6 when the warning light comes on saying loss of pressure.
As to NEVER loosing pressure is a bit misleading cos u can still get punctures.
I always check my tyre pressures cold. So how much does a tyre pressure typically rise by when hot? Presumably the idea of setting the cold pressure to a certain value is so that it is 'correct' when hot?
4-6 PSI, depending on tyre type and 'use' is my experience.

I set mine at 38psi before leaving on the French/rs246 Le-Mans trip with outside temp 12c and checked them there at 1c and they were 36 psi :o so I blew them up. Next time I checked them at home they were 41psi :o :o

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 12:47 am
by DavidT
Filled mine with Helium. Apparently my car is somewhere over the Atlantic at the moment.
Yes but can you laugh about it ?

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 8:09 pm
by Nordschleife
that explains the squeaky exhaust note

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2004 8:52 pm
by TarmacTerrorist
DavidT wrote:
Filled mine with Helium. Apparently my car is somewhere over the Atlantic at the moment.
Yes but can you laugh about it ?
made me chuckle!