Alternative for OEM MAF seals

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Alternative for OEM MAF seals

Post by TomRS6TT » Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:10 pm

Hi Guys,

I have been suspecting that my MAF seals are leaking little bit as MAF goes in too easily and after getting new OEM maf reading still are too low (~1.5g/l). So I started looking for other options as OEM 1 seal cost in Australia 122 AUD /~100 USD and I won't buy that. My work involves high pressure (+10000psi) applications so I use lot's of different seals and I noticed something what I can easily use.
It sits exactly into intake pipe first step (with light push). As seal has little lip at the top then this holds seal in place (sits on top of intake metal edge) when you are pushing MAF into it. MAF sits into seal good (not hard or too easy), when you look the pictures you see that this seal has another O-ring inside of it, this is called energizer, this will keep outer seal ring what goes against MAF always active/pushing against MAF to make air proof connection. I will glue these in with locktite 406 (difficult to bond materials) to keep them there when I'm pulling airbox off.
There is part number on top of the seal, this is basically measurement of the seal, you should be able to get these from any O-ring shop in States and they cost few dollars each.
I hope this is helpful.
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Re: Alternative for OEM MAF seals

Post by SuprSi » Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:28 pm

Nice! I'll keep that in mind when mine start getting tired. Thanks.

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Re: Alternative for OEM MAF seals

Post by Mɐʇʇ » Mon Feb 23, 2015 4:04 pm

This looks great! I've got a pair of apikol seals to go in mine - but they're pretty proud of them too.

I can't quite read the part number - is this it?
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Re: Alternative for OEM MAF seals

Post by Shoppinit » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:22 pm

Sexiest seal I ever did see.
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Re: Alternative for OEM MAF seals

Post by Mɐʇʇ » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:40 pm

Clearly need to wheel this old one out then:
A vacationing penguin is driving his car through Arizona when he notices that the oil pressure light is on. He gets out to look and sees oil dripping out of the motor. He drives to the nearest town and stops at the first gas station.
After dropping the car off, the penguin goes for a walk around town. He sees an ice-cream shop and, being a penguin in Arizona, decides that something cold would really hit the spot. He gets a big dish of ice cream and sits down to eat. Having no hands he makes a real mess trying to eat with his flippers. After finishing his ice cream, he goes back to the gas station and asks the mechanic if he's found the problem. The mechanic looks up and says "It looks like you blew a seal."
"No no," the penguin replies, "it's just ice cream."
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Re: Alternative for OEM MAF seals

Post by Shoppinit » Mon Feb 23, 2015 11:07 pm

^^nice

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Re: Alternative for OEM MAF seals

Post by Nobby » Tue Feb 24, 2015 12:19 am

Wot no Seal beating smiley Shop?
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Re: Alternative for OEM MAF seals

Post by mik15 » Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:29 am

i used the Apikol seals, really great product for about $60 a set. I think the problem is not only the pressure, but the T they are exposed to, so the Apikol ones i reckon would be better than a general seal which was probably not designed to withstand high temperatures as you get in that area which is very close to the turbos. Anyways, that is a great finding and offers another solution apart from Apikol.
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Re: Alternative for OEM MAF seals

Post by TomRS6TT » Tue Feb 24, 2015 9:04 am

Actually these seals can last more then 200C, it's way more we will ever need in that place.
Part number is HB 18703125-375, always make sure that energizer O-ring is inside the lip.

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Re: Alternative for OEM MAF seals

Post by IchBautAuto » Mon Dec 16, 2019 5:28 am

Re visiting this! My experience is that it does not work as is. When I removed the air box, the MAF's came out of the airbox (as expected as they weren't secured) and out of the manifold complete with the seals too. The adhesive didn't work, at least after 4 years. What it did do was to get all over the seals and all over the MAF body where it seals and is a real bugger to get off. My solution is to buy two new MAF's and the Apikol seal kit.

The seals are hydraulic rod seals and the perfect size. The downside is the seal profile is a double lip so the seal cannot seat fully in the recess in the manifold. I would consider machining off the outer lip if I were to try that again. For the moment, It'll be new MAF's and apikol seals. Cannot understand how AUDI can even consider the asking price for the OE items.

I can see that these occasional backward steps could turn into a dance if I do it often enough.
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Re: Alternative for OEM MAF seals

Post by Shoppinit » Mon Dec 16, 2019 9:01 am

Hmm, that's not great. Let me know the references of what you replace the seals with and I'll update the FAQ.
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Re: Alternative for OEM MAF seals

Post by Puggie » Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:13 am

I 3D printed a set of seals for mine from TPU and bonded them in with polyurethane adhesive. Little run and MAF removal they seem to stay put fine and as far as I can tell are sealing up nice and tight. Once I'm happy with them and checked the temps after a more solid run I'll post up the design if anyone want to try them. I think the roll of TPU was about £26 and that would probably make enough seals for all the remaining RS6s in the world! (I think the material cost is about 8-9p a seal). I had tied a couple of hydraulic seal options based on the above and I was struggling to keep them in place, lacked confidence in them staying put properly as there is not a lot back there holding the airbox in place.

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Re: Alternative for OEM MAF seals

Post by Mɐʇʇ » Mon Dec 16, 2019 11:16 am

Like your style. :boots:
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Mon Dec 16, 2019 5:28 am
I can see that these occasional backward steps could turn into a dance if I do it often enough.
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