Pics of mine - aka the blank canvas!

[Mr Footlong]

It would interesting to see how these perform against the new (more expensive I think) Loba C6 setup as to my simple bonce at least, we have a couple of key differences:

1. This setup has full pad sweep I believe, Loba's has some funny cut down custom pads with less overall braking surface (just my opinion/what I can see with my eyes)

2. This setup has grooves, not drilled holes as we were advised that grooved will stand up to more abuse than drilled. I have seen the result of me repeatedly battering drilled discs a couple of times on my cars. We wanted performance and strength over a potentially smallish weight saving by drilling.

You could start talking about the different bobbin /float setup too I believe but that goes above my head...

FYI. The guys that made this setup, provided what they say is a very similar setup for the MP Motorsport team that just won the 2012 Britcar 24 hour race.

[Ceveman73]

A third important difference is that this setup has 36mm thick rotors, as opposed to 34mm, which will provide better heat resistance and allow a greater volume of air to pass through due to the wider vent area.

Mart.

[supersi]

Our disc solution is not using a custom pad, it's a standard pad just not same as OE but this does give a greater choice of performance pad that are also cheaper and lighter then OE size and every one replaces pads when fitting new disc so is a win win IMO

The smaller pad area size we are using is not so important as you think and wasn't overlooked as you suggested, as you know with the LOBA set up we are using AP racing rotor, this rotor has 88 vanes with a 21mm air gap, is a handed directional rotor with bells that have vents to allow front face air cooling so together runs much cooler then less vaned and smaller air gapped rotors using plain bells, ours are 34mm thick but can be as have fantastic cooling so again win win as are lighter too



Who is the rotor manufacturer you used ?

I like the look of plain rotors that have been J hooked as you used, we have used this type for other kits too

I'm sure your set up will be good upgrade over OEM as is ours... yours look good, i look forward to full run down on specs, is good there's more options for owners best of luck

[Mr Footlong]

Hi Si. Not going to say who the manufacturer is until we have all 3 sets fully made up. Currently, 3 of us had these commissioned by the Braking Company, who have ties to AP and Alcon, so they know a thing or 2 about performance brakes . They have also done brake work for MRC in the past.

Vanes were discussed at length and when it was all said and done, we went with 48 vanes as the solid choice for these at least based on the advise from the specialists I believe. The rotors can always be changed out to a different spec if needed; the important part was getting the bell sorted. I have a tendency for putting stupid amounts of heat through my brakes and personally wanted thicker discs with more metal and more warp-resistance. We could have shaved weight but I wanted rinse & repeat caveman-style brake slamming without having to worry at all until roosters were popping out from the wheels.

/Edit, just came across this little article by AP, which backs up why I wanted this particular configuration - http://www.apracing.com/Info.aspx?InfoI ... oductID=30

Si, I would have had no problem buying your lovely looking discs except for the fact that I personally found that they were a bit too expensive in my opinion. I appreciate that a lot of time and investment went in to them but I feel that it was a bit of a captive market scenario and I don't like being made to go down the sheep route, I like being different . The only thing that I really don't like is the RS4-style bobbin setup, no idea why but I hate seeing the rectangular spring clips (might be wrong term) visible on the outside on the outside of the disc but that may just be me.

Regarding the pad bit, I am far, far less technical that a lot on here, but I personally don't agree with the smaller pad being just as good bit. I have a vague understanding of pressure across surface area etc. but again, no expert at all so you may well be right. The OE Brembo pads aren't expensive as far as I know and I would expect aftermarket performance pad makers to base their C6 spec RS6 pads around the OE pad design. Also, as long as the pads hung correctly inside the calipers, people could use smaller pads with this setup if they wanted to.

Just to confirm, I said from step one that I didn't care about the weight of the discs whatsoever, I just wanted bombproof braking along with a design that was plug & play as spacers were not possible for me. Slap disc on, slap caliper on, laugh at the thought of any spacers being needed and hoon off in to the sunset. The other guys did rein things in a bit regarding the weight .

I love your custom disc design and I think it is great that you give us all these upgrade options for our beasts but just in this instance, I wanted something different to what you had on offer.

I am not a salesman on behalf of the braking company that made this setup and am not going to make a cut, a few of us just wanted to do our own thing and to get that geeky warm fuzzy feeling by doing something for the RS6 community. The others involved in this can feel free to correct me on that of course. They can also feel free to correct me on any bollocks I may have spouted .

Nick.

[supersi]

I wasn't interested in the brake specialist putting together but the rotor maker ? Ie what make is the castings

im not super technical either, have just a small understanding of mechanical engineering but the guys we use and consult are the biggest AP racing stockist and race supplier in Europe so I believe there recommendations and knowledge on pad/rotor sweep and pad choice, I did ask same as you have.

totally understand on pricing I'd love to have made cheaper and kept at same standard or quality rotor but wasn't possible and we do need make a little profit and also have a margin for our dealers as I've gone over in the past, I also know what your saying on the bobbin springs but I quite like the look as looks mechanical and technical and do serve a important purpose with the set up you gone look like are not floating design but I know are as you said ...but look not but i know what your saying each to there own

Price off a set of ferodo performance ds2500 pads for the loba 390mm set up's is about £230 inc vat from me

[Mr Footlong]

I cannot actually remember if the castings are AP or Alcon, I just went with the flow on that one. Anyway, I will find out in due course.

[Shoppinit]

Are my loan pads down to the metal yet?

[Mr Footlong]

Are my loan pads down to the metal yet?

I have been going easy on them darling so the "£23 Pagids" should still have good life left in them yet. I don't trust them enough for Warp Factor 10 runs Should hopefully find out on Thursday, which is hopefully brake swap day.

[supersi]

I cannot actually remember if the castings are AP or Alcon, I just went with the flow on that one. Anyway, I will find out in due course.

dont think there AP tbh from size/vane/air gap thats been stated

[bam_bam]

I cannot actually remember if the castings are AP or Alcon, I just went with the flow on that one. Anyway, I will find out in due course.

Alcon in the end but I'll have to check the notes. Many APs were looked at.

- It's probably worth noting these discs weren't made for tracking a C6 (as the Loba's are advertised as). These were built for people running a fast road C5 with C6 callipers (but they'll no doubt stand up on track, these do have racing pedigree).
- The 36mm disc thickness will ensure the C6 callipers work as spec'd, with OEM pads and the hat off-set putting the disc spot on. The thickness also gives some extra material for heat dissipation over 34mm.
- These discs have a vane count to balance heat dissipation, weight and air-gap (they are both directional and curved).

I had a little love story laser etched onto my new discs, for a bit of fun. I should be in some sort of position to comment on these new discs after running a full C6 brake setup for 20k miles. I'll have to buy some Loba's next...

[supersi]

doubt are Alcon also from specs given and pics, you need find out.

Ive had our brake guys take a look and they were complimentary about you having a go, But they had a few very basic concerns to be honest, if you PM me I can let you know what they were.

[Mr Footlong]

Lol, complimentary about having a go. The others may well PM you, thanks for the offer but personally, I will slap them on and see what happens. Bam etc if you find out and if it is anything that I need to concern myself with I am sure you will let me know.

I did a far more complicated bespoke brake setup on my last Impreza and that was 100% problem-free so I have faith that a company that specialize in performance brake discs will do me ok . Time will tell.

[supersi]

Really wasn't taking the mick there and trying hard not to knock them...i can see you mite not take well and not out to piss you off, I'd not have commented at all if you had not of compaired to ours, but really few things said you may want to get exact details on.

It's dead esay to make a road set up and also track, It's not so easy to do both well.

[Shoppinit]

[supersi]

Lol your murder ...... Please really not out to discredit or make look bad at all I'd prefer to talk on phone as then your see I'm not.