RS6 Re-conditioned Gearbox and Fitting Service

[Mr Footlong]

Lol Dunc, are you having a little bout of seasonal affective disorder?

[chunky79]

I'm having a moment

[Ben @ AmD Essex]

Afternoon All,

As Phil said I have been waiting until our sponsorship is sorted plus I have also had some time off.

W can offer an upgrade to take 1000-1100 nm of torque.

This does cost quite abit more due to the work and components involved, about £1000 alone is spent on the torque converter.

The price of this is £4500 + vat (£5400 inc vat) This includes labour to remove and refit your gearbox.

We would require your gearbox to do this and the turn around time is about 2-3 weeks.

As for warranty companies, we have no issue dealing with these companies but we do require payment from the owner of the vehicle, you would then need to claim back from the warranty company.

Ben

P.S yes companies are here to make money as without making money there would be no company, would be terrible busy sense to have a company that didn't make money, but we are also car enthusiasts who are here to help too we arn't a take the money and run type company.

[Mr Footlong]

Ben, reply appreciated, that sounds great and I have no doubt that you will have interest from people including me but, will you be able to give us some more technical info on what you will do to the box? A lot of us need the geeky nitty gritty stuff!

Also, what warranty terms are provided by you guys on the uprated version? Thanks.

[amanda1]

Ben, reply appreciated, that sounds great and I have no doubt that you will have interest from people including me but, will you be able to give us some more technical info on what you will do to the box? A lot of us need the geeky nitty gritty stuff!

Also, what warranty terms are provided by you guys on the uprated version? Thanks.

Indeed me too please

[Ben @ AmD Essex]

Internals of auto gearboxes are not my forte, he did tell me a list of what is upgraded but it was getting too internally technical for me. I was expecting this to crop up though and am waiting for the info to come back to me. As soon as I have it I will share it with you all.

In the mean time I can tell you they build boxes for 2000bhp drag cars, so they know what they are doing when it comes to modded boxes.

[bam_bam]

The TC doesn't need to handle that much torque, it's just to get the car going and you're never going to see that amount of Nm going in at engagement revs (unless the stall speed were increased). It’d be a waste of £1000 on a TC as the one I have in mine cost a fraction of that, yet is rated to 750ft/lbs (again, complete overkill and built by people who build drag car TCs). Ideally the TC would just need an uprated lockup clutch and preferably laser cut/welded, any further brazing of internals is going to be a waste of money IMO. Although I'm happy to be proved wrong on this application for the C5.
Everyone (well maybe just me) will be very interested in the clutchpacks (quantity and quality of material), porting work, pump assembly uprated, seals/gaskets, line pressure increases via VB modifications, any valve body work, slipper clutch and ATF pick up modifications.

Ben, just plopping in that the outfit going to rebuild our gearboxes also happens to maintain 2000bhp drag cars isn't enough, do they have a name? Because when I Google "they build boxes for 2000bhp drag cars, so they know what they are doing when it comes to modded boxes", I don't get a lot of meaningful information… and these aren’t drag cars, just saying. If I'm coming across blunt and/or jaded, it's because I am. I've been through this topic ad nauseum. Currently, the most sufficient rebuild experience for the HP524A have come from the 'States and a UK company is yet to step up. There is only one UK C5 RS6 running a “bulletproof” American gearbox and it’s going strong but still early days. I’d love for there to be a silver bullet available in the UK but it’s been a long time coming so you might be met with more than a few sceptics, ok?

My first question would be; has Xxxx company rebuilt a C5 RS6 HP524A gearbox before?
Also, more details of the Ts&Cs for the 'warranty' of such a high performance 'box would make this option an easy choice. This should be clear on what’s covered in the unlikely event of failure e.g. engine removal and replacement labour rates are covered.

Here's my £0.02, keep the change... said the fisherman.

[Daveperc]

There is only one UK C5 RS6 running a “bulletproof” American gearbox and it’s going strong but still early days

Yep - sweet as a nut...

very interested in the clutchpacks (quantity and quality of material), porting work, pump assembly uprated, seals/gaskets, line pressure increases via VB modifications, any valve body work, slipper clutch and ATF pick up modifications.

+1 - really interested to hear what they plan to do - and whether they have done it before.

The price of this is £4500 + vat (£5400 inc vat) This includes labour to remove and refit your gearbox.

Certainly sounds attractive compared with the total £7500 I spent - though mine includes costs like a full gearbox service after 5000 miles so as to be really confident after running the box in. Actual costs of shipping to US, them refurbing, and ship back was about £4500. I'd want to know that the costs included all fluids etc for both the box, and assuming you take the engine out, for that and all the ancillaries too.

Don't let our questioning wear you down Ben - we all want an economic solution for our box eaters, it's just that there have been too many mirages on the horizon already!

Dave

[rossi46]

.. more details of the Ts&Cs for the 'warranty' of such a high performance 'box would make this option an easy choice. This should be clear on what’s covered in the unlikely event of failure e.g. engine removal and replacement labour rates are covered.

Should I one day need to go down a new/replacement gearbox route ,this is probably the single most important element for me. I don't know enough about the workings of an RS6 gearbox to speak intelligently about them,therefore my trust would be placed squarely with the garage carrying out the work.
I believe a warranty should be in place to cover any costs against defect, be that a fault coming by way of hardware used ( poor quality, inappropriate application etc ) or problems resulting in poor labour techniques. I'm not sure how attractive having a warranted gearbox would be if I knew that should a problem occur down the line, another (£1500+vat ???) would be needed, regardless of the outcome.

[rossi46]

Don't let our questioning wear you down Ben - we all want an economic solution for our box eaters, it's just that there have been too many mirages on the horizon already!

Dave

+1

[Ben @ AmD Essex]

As stated, as soon as I have the ins and outs of what is done to the modded gearboxes I will let you know, along with the warranty for the uprated box.

We have fitted several off their standard reconditioned boxes and they have shown no issues so far, this type of gearbox is not new to them. They also inform me they have already built stronger boxes for the RS6's. The name of the company is Technical Automatic Services.

The prices include all the labour costs involved with taking the enigne out, any fluids, seals, gaskets etc. The warranty for the standard reconditioned box as stated in the original post

The gearbox comes with a 12 month no quibble Parts and labour warranty. If you are unfortunate enough to have any problems after the initial year but within 3 years/60k miles the gearbox would be repaired FOC and we would only charge the cost of labour to remove/re-fit the gearbox.

The main point of this thread is that we can offer a standard gearbox replacment from stock, so there is none of the usual lengthy waiting time.

[amanda1]

Don't let our questioning wear you down Ben - we all want an economic solution for our box eaters, it's just that there have been too many mirages on the horizon already!

Dave

+1

+2

[chunky79]

Good work Ben, if it is a good replacement box then I think you could be very busy!

[gingertoss]

Well done Ben, now who is going to be the guinea pig for the uprated box??????????

[Mr Footlong]

Count me out this month, just bought another car.... New Year could be a different story though. The thing is, I would want a buttload of other stuff done if the engine is coming out, arse.