what happened to the wagner group buy?

[chunky79]

Pretty sure its the bottom hose that usually pops off. If you do have a go at getting it back on makes sure its clean and dry!

[chunky79]

i just changed my hoses for the wagners hoses, the bottom ones were very soft, and i reckon not far from splitting. it's definately wortha look doc, and bam is right, the belly pan will have to come off.

Oh well, i dont have a ramp or jacks, looks like MRC it is...

Pretty sure I don't jack mine up when I changed my coolers

[Shoppinit]

Pretty sure its the bottom hose that usually pops off. If you do have a go at getting it back on makes sure its clean and dry!

What he said (twice).

It's almost always the bottom hose (the oil accumulates at the bottom and makes it slippery).

You don't need a ramp, just jack the car up and use an axle stand.

[chunky79]

Pretty sure its the bottom hose that usually pops off. If you do have a go at getting it back on makes sure its clean and dry!

What he said (twice).

It's almost always the bottom hose (the oil accumulates at the bottom and makes it slippery).

You don't need a ramp, just jack the car up and use an axle stand.

Ah, i didn't have to jack mine up cause i had removed the bumper. It's all coming back to me now.

Come on doc, check the bottom hose and report back

[cfcdoc]

Come on doc, check the bottom hose and report back

Ok a report back, basically following a rather ridiculous conversation with car care plan, they consider the doubling of air intake through wagners a process through which engine performance is improved. The next 15 mins became an exercise in semantics and the difference between improved efficiency and improved performance and ended with a request by me to see evidence that uprating intercoolers and increasing longevity of the turbo reduces reliability as their position from which they are about as flexible as a concrete pillar holding up the hammersmith flyover is that the wagners are a modification and that they will invalidate the warranty on the engine thereafter and that i have to remain OEM. I would to be honest have to be certifiable to proceed with installing wagners after a tutorial regarding the definition of "false economy" yielded no improved malleability in their position. I suppose this rules out millteks and all other sorts of "mods"

Its booked in with Doug for new rear discs and pagids all round (Doug states the new pads dont have the pins) and replacement of OEM intercoolers...

[Mr V10]

Doc, I would not even have mentioned to car care plan you were going to get Wagners. Just tell them it needs 2x new intercoolers at £xxxx price. Do they state you need to use genuine Audi parts in their policy? Their inspector won’t even be able to tell the difference between Wagners and standard intercoolers and he wouldn’t inspect after fitting anyway, only before. If they want an invoice for the work before paying out just get one with ‘2x Intercoolers’ on it.

[bam_bam]

^ what that young chap just said +1.

[cfcdoc]

Doc, I would not even have mentioned to car care plan you were going to get Wagners. Just tell them it needs 2x new intercoolers at £xxxx price. Do they state you need to use genuine Audi parts in their policy? Their inspector won’t even be able to tell the difference between Wagners and standard intercoolers and he wouldn’t inspect after fitting anyway, only before. If they want an invoice for the work before paying out just get one with ‘2x Intercoolers’ on it.

Well to be honest mate, I could potentially be a +3, however, to give you some background the day went a bit like this. I spoke to inchcape at about 8.45 am and they confirmed that as long as the new part came with a warranty that they would be willing to pay the equivalent of the OEM intercooler and I would pay the excess, lovely jubbly I thought and I hung the phone up after confirming the conversations were recorded.

It bugged me all day as it was just too good to be true so I rang back and asked they confirm with the underwriters so he asked for the part and i told him it was a wagners and thats when the exercise in pedantry took place described above. I am probably my own worst enemy for ringing back but considering I paid £1900 for the 3 yr warranty in October 2011 and to date they have already given me £860 odd for the alternator and are about to shell out another £1k for the intercoolers,the warranty has paid for itself and to be honest and I`m too busy and would be too inconvenienced if in the future they identified the wagners and I had to get their engineers report, my own engineers report and end up in court over how the part that they claimed caused the subsequent fail didnt and that they are still liable. Arseache I can do without (bam, there isnt a gag here just to pre-empt).

For the record they state that it has to be manufacturers spec(which the wagners arent) and given its their money and not mine (1k could treat me and the wife to save on earache) but I will confirm re exhausts and suspension tomorrow with them.

The other issue is gearbox service, will inchcape get all jelly legged if I havent followed AUDI guidelines. Hindsight is a wonderful thing and although the warranty has paid for itself within 6months, there are a lot of limitations.

[Mr V10]

The gearbox is sealed for life, you do not need to provide them with any record of servicing for the box, in fact, don't even tell them you've serviced it at all, it only gives them a reason to wiggle out as according to Audi it is 'sealed for life' and not part of the official service schedule. Look on the bright side, the Audi intercoolers will have a two year warranty and you probably wouldn't have been able to tell the difference with the Wagners anyway, especially on a standard car. These car care plan guys are alright, I don't think what they are saying is unreasonable at the slightest from their perspective, next time, don't call back!

[cfcdoc]

The gearbox is sealed for life, you do not need to provide them with any record of servicing for the box, in fact, don't even tell them you've serviced it at all, it only gives them a reason to wiggle out as according to Audi it is 'sealed for life' and not part of the official service schedule. Look on the bright side, the Audi intercoolers will have a two year warranty and you probably wouldn't have been able to tell the difference with the Wagners anyway, especially on a standard car. These car care plan guys are alright, I don't think what they are saying is unreasonable at the slightest from their perspective, next time, don't call back!

LOL, I had an opportunity to hang up before they answered but the angel on my left made sure the devil on my right didnt get his way. I need to learn how to be disingenuous

Seeing as its "sealed for life" as you say, would there be " evidence" that it has been serviced or am I becoming overtly paranoid..

[Mr V10]

Way too paranoid. If I were you, I would have the car remapped whilst at MRC too, they won't even be able to detect that nevermind the box oil change.
Mooch's car was stage two without any cats and Car Care Plan paid out £20k on it.

[cfcdoc]

Way too paranoid. If I were you, I would have the car remapped whilst at MRC too, they won't even be able to detect that nevermind the box oil change.
Mooch's car was stage two without any cats and Car Care Plan paid out £20k on it.

Maybe thats why they are oozing austerity, however, a remap is something I have always considered.

[Mr V10]

I doubt it, Doc. Mooch probably didn't tell them, just like you shouldn't have! Get it mapped, you will not regret it. I couldn't go back to a standard RS6 now as it would feel quite slow by comparison.

[cfcdoc]

I doubt it, Doc. Mooch probably didn't tell them, just like you shouldn't have! Get it mapped, you will not regret it. I couldn't go back to a standard RS6 now as it would feel quite slow by comparison.

You shouldnt have driven amandas...youve caught the bug...

[bam_bam]

There's usually a clause for betterment within a non-Audi warranty and it can't just be a blanket argument from the warranty co for use of non-OEM parts due to it invalidating a warranty. You don't even have to fight the finer points, take a non-OEM CAT-back for example, this will only alter the sound. There are certainly some "no-nos" when a car manufacturer tries to say an aftermarket option will kill their warranty, it's clear non-competition.
The betterment clause usually negates any blanket denial on an aftermarket warranty, it's a catch 22. Oddly, they would still have to prove that the item you chose for betterment is detrimental to the workings of any given system, it's a very grey area. I honestly think one of the best defences would be, if something is plug-and-play, does it throw a code in diag once installed, does it push the car beyond the tolerances it's already built for? They can point to their big print or small print all they want but they ARE regulated, it's scare tactics, mostly, the rest is in the customer's mind. People rarely challenge this grey area, especially cash rich time poor customers.

I challenged WD on an engine pull and a gearbox rebuild and got what I wanted (mostly), it was very tough but I got there, including putting an A.C.E converter in, it can be done. I think the trick is to first make the case for replacement and get them to admit it, only then can you say "good, I'll add more on top for betterment". Then stand your ground, be very pushy and learn the rules/laws.