It would be interesting to see what difference the Wagners make in performance terms on a highly modificed car. On a standard car they make no difference.
If heat soak is your concern then better intercoolers seems like a no-brainer to me.
Oh pants, car already feeling slower......
Re: Oh pants, car already feeling slower......
Daytona RS6 C5 Avant. Viper'd, Billies, Waggers, MTM box brain, C6 stoppers, xcarlink, R8 coolant cap (woohoo)
///M3 E46 | XC90 (V8, natch) | Passat GTE | RR Classic V8 flapper
"The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at and repair."
///M3 E46 | XC90 (V8, natch) | Passat GTE | RR Classic V8 flapper
"The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at and repair."
Re: Oh pants, car already feeling slower......
Hi ShopIt would be interesting to see what difference the Wagners make in performance terms on a highly modificed car. On a standard car they make no difference.
Surely that;s because without adjusting the map there is no way to take advantage of the freer flow of cooler air. On a mapped car the inlet pressure can be tweaked to take advantage??
Dave
Re: Oh pants, car already feeling slower......
It's just that at the low boost pressure of a stock map doesn't create very high charge temperatures, so the standard IC are correctly dimensioned for a standard car. When you run higher boost, you drastically increase the charge air temp and that's where you see the benefit from the larger heat transfer surface area of the Wagners.
Daytona RS6 C5 Avant. Viper'd, Billies, Waggers, MTM box brain, C6 stoppers, xcarlink, R8 coolant cap (woohoo)
///M3 E46 | XC90 (V8, natch) | Passat GTE | RR Classic V8 flapper
"The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at and repair."
///M3 E46 | XC90 (V8, natch) | Passat GTE | RR Classic V8 flapper
"The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at and repair."
Re: Oh pants, car already feeling slower......
The Wagners weren't on my shopping list as my standard ones were fairly new and not leaking. But because I've got 60mm intakes, the standard ICs would actually become a restiction. The Wagners just flow a lot better and in most cases (modified cars) actually give an extra 20-30HP.
No matter where you go, there you are.
Re: Oh pants, car already feeling slower......
The Wagners are good value for money, especially if you get them without the carbon shrouds; They are barely more expensive than the OEM crap.
Daytona RS6 C5 Avant. Viper'd, Billies, Waggers, MTM box brain, C6 stoppers, xcarlink, R8 coolant cap (woohoo)
///M3 E46 | XC90 (V8, natch) | Passat GTE | RR Classic V8 flapper
"The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at and repair."
///M3 E46 | XC90 (V8, natch) | Passat GTE | RR Classic V8 flapper
"The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at and repair."
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Mr Footlong
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Re: Oh pants, car already feeling slower......
the carbon shrouds are a bit oversized compared with the OEM shrouds that have to be modified non?
Current:
23' C8 RS6 Vorsprung - 23' RS E-Tron GT Carbon Vorsprung
Gone:
"Brutus"- C5 RS6 Avant - MRC stage 2 - Milltek non-res + 100 cell cats - Wagner ICs - PSS9 - H&R ARBs - OZ Superturismo LM - C6 Custom brakes - HD RNS-E - Various other bits - 555PS/832Nm
"Taz"- C7 RS6 - MRC stage 2 745PS/1095Nm
12' Cayenne Turbo, B7 RS4, S3, Cupra R, XJR, EVO VII, STI8,5,2&WRX, 106 GTI&XSI, other crap.
23' C8 RS6 Vorsprung - 23' RS E-Tron GT Carbon Vorsprung
Gone:
"Brutus"- C5 RS6 Avant - MRC stage 2 - Milltek non-res + 100 cell cats - Wagner ICs - PSS9 - H&R ARBs - OZ Superturismo LM - C6 Custom brakes - HD RNS-E - Various other bits - 555PS/832Nm
"Taz"- C7 RS6 - MRC stage 2 745PS/1095Nm
12' Cayenne Turbo, B7 RS4, S3, Cupra R, XJR, EVO VII, STI8,5,2&WRX, 106 GTI&XSI, other crap.
Re: Oh pants, car already feeling slower......
Not bothering with the CF shrouds.
No matter where you go, there you are.
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Ryan_Pestell
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Re: Oh pants, car already feeling slower......
im looking forward to seeing the bonnet also, you had it stamped of vents stuck on?
quite like the idea of stamps but unsure if the 6 could pull it off.
quite like the idea of stamps but unsure if the 6 could pull it off.
Daytona RS6+ Sold 
Now Building a 500HP Lotus Exige
Now Building a 500HP Lotus Exige
Re: Oh pants, car already feeling slower......
The OE shrouds have to be modified. I did mine with a stanley knife.
Daytona RS6 C5 Avant. Viper'd, Billies, Waggers, MTM box brain, C6 stoppers, xcarlink, R8 coolant cap (woohoo)
///M3 E46 | XC90 (V8, natch) | Passat GTE | RR Classic V8 flapper
"The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at and repair."
///M3 E46 | XC90 (V8, natch) | Passat GTE | RR Classic V8 flapper
"The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at and repair."
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speedtrapped
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Re: Oh pants, car already feeling slower......
The trans was built 14 months ago, so no...I think Sam may have left. That said we, as in a group of Audi owners are doing a Maha dyno day, w/in month. I will post up mid feb.bam_bam wrote:Hi Stephen,speedtrapped wrote:As for trans, I have a custom level10 trans, able to handle 800hp. Extra clutch packs, hardened internals, bigger valve body. In addition to their TC.
When was your trans built up, was it before Sam left to form 517trans?
Also, would you mind posting up a dyno of your beast in current tune? It'd be interesting to see what torque you're running, HP is nice but it's the twisting stuff that kills the 'box.
Btw, the pic of the sport tec mod is half right, everyone that does the mod uses a galvanized wire mesh, as I have. I have run the vents for over a year, snow, rain debris no issues. Also as mentioned, meth, meth, meth...it's insane when dialed into the tune.
C5 RS6-DBR Stage 3 Race kit, with lots of other bits and pieces.....
11' CTS-V Wagon, Stage 2 545/590 RWP, Grocery Hauler and Avant pacifier.....
11' CTS-V Wagon, Stage 2 545/590 RWP, Grocery Hauler and Avant pacifier.....
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speedtrapped
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Re: Oh pants, car already feeling slower......
I run wagners, and run 24 psi, what would u like me to log? When I get chance I can post up.
C5 RS6-DBR Stage 3 Race kit, with lots of other bits and pieces.....
11' CTS-V Wagon, Stage 2 545/590 RWP, Grocery Hauler and Avant pacifier.....
11' CTS-V Wagon, Stage 2 545/590 RWP, Grocery Hauler and Avant pacifier.....
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perthwaRS6
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Re: Oh pants, car already feeling slower......
for those interested, visit V8weight post of 29 March 2010 at
http://www.rs6.com/showthread.php/20630 ... ht=cooling
if you wish to see the modified sport tec undertray cooling vents with screens and 'how to do it yourself' drawings and instructions. Screens a must to quote V8weight "It said on the package it should repel not only stray rocks and road debris, but also chickens and rabbits."!
V8weight post very helpful. This undertray mod is highly recommended for warm weather conditions.
http://www.rs6.com/showthread.php/20630 ... ht=cooling
if you wish to see the modified sport tec undertray cooling vents with screens and 'how to do it yourself' drawings and instructions. Screens a must to quote V8weight "It said on the package it should repel not only stray rocks and road debris, but also chickens and rabbits."!
V8weight post very helpful. This undertray mod is highly recommended for warm weather conditions.
2009 RS6 sedan,5.0L FSI V10,phantom black,730bhp-98 octane,750bhp-104 octane,APR stage 1 map,MTM/Performance Friction 405mm front rotors,JCFabweld sports exhaust,MRC filters,Michelin PSS.
2011 Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4 coupe,5.2L V10 TT UGR 800-1250whp, e-gear 6 speed,390 mm Alcon Racing front rotors, grey.
1969 E type Jaguar convertible with 5.2L 6 cylinder Rob Beere Racing engine,356 bhp-415 ft-lbs,midnight blue-old school but beautiful
2011 Lamborghini Gallardo LP560-4 coupe,5.2L V10 TT UGR 800-1250whp, e-gear 6 speed,390 mm Alcon Racing front rotors, grey.
1969 E type Jaguar convertible with 5.2L 6 cylinder Rob Beere Racing engine,356 bhp-415 ft-lbs,midnight blue-old school but beautiful
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Mr Footlong
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Re: Oh pants, car already feeling slower......
Bugger, I had read various threads on the mod but not that one. I might look at getting a spare undertray and run a vented/meshed one for the warmer months and swap back to full for the cooler ones. Will give it a while and see how I get on with the heat soak on prolonged runs I guess.......
Current:
23' C8 RS6 Vorsprung - 23' RS E-Tron GT Carbon Vorsprung
Gone:
"Brutus"- C5 RS6 Avant - MRC stage 2 - Milltek non-res + 100 cell cats - Wagner ICs - PSS9 - H&R ARBs - OZ Superturismo LM - C6 Custom brakes - HD RNS-E - Various other bits - 555PS/832Nm
"Taz"- C7 RS6 - MRC stage 2 745PS/1095Nm
12' Cayenne Turbo, B7 RS4, S3, Cupra R, XJR, EVO VII, STI8,5,2&WRX, 106 GTI&XSI, other crap.
23' C8 RS6 Vorsprung - 23' RS E-Tron GT Carbon Vorsprung
Gone:
"Brutus"- C5 RS6 Avant - MRC stage 2 - Milltek non-res + 100 cell cats - Wagner ICs - PSS9 - H&R ARBs - OZ Superturismo LM - C6 Custom brakes - HD RNS-E - Various other bits - 555PS/832Nm
"Taz"- C7 RS6 - MRC stage 2 745PS/1095Nm
12' Cayenne Turbo, B7 RS4, S3, Cupra R, XJR, EVO VII, STI8,5,2&WRX, 106 GTI&XSI, other crap.
Re: Oh pants, car already feeling slower......
Wouldn't back facing louvers be a neater solution?
Daytona RS6 C5 Avant. Viper'd, Billies, Waggers, MTM box brain, C6 stoppers, xcarlink, R8 coolant cap (woohoo)
///M3 E46 | XC90 (V8, natch) | Passat GTE | RR Classic V8 flapper
"The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at and repair."
///M3 E46 | XC90 (V8, natch) | Passat GTE | RR Classic V8 flapper
"The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at and repair."
Re: Oh pants, car already feeling slower......
Daytona RS6 C5 Avant. Viper'd, Billies, Waggers, MTM box brain, C6 stoppers, xcarlink, R8 coolant cap (woohoo)
///M3 E46 | XC90 (V8, natch) | Passat GTE | RR Classic V8 flapper
"The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at and repair."
///M3 E46 | XC90 (V8, natch) | Passat GTE | RR Classic V8 flapper
"The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at and repair."
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