Costs of synthetics vary considerably. The most expensive are the “Ester” types originally only used in jet engines. These cost 6 to 10 times more than high quality mineral oils.
The cheapest synthetics are not really synthetic at all, they are dug out of the ground and not manmade. These are in fact specially refined light viscosity mineral oils known as “hydrocracked” oils.
“Hydrocracked” oils have some advantages over their equivalent mineral oils, particularly in lower viscosity motor oils such as 5w-30 and 5w-40 and they cost about 1.5 times more than good quality mineral fractions. This is the “synthetic” which is always used in cheap oils that are labelled “synthetic”.
So, why are these special mineral oils called “synthetic”?
Well, it all came about from a legal battle that took place in the USA more than ten years ago. Sound reasons (including evidence from a Nobel Prize winning chemist) were disregarded and the final ruling was that certain mineral bases that had undergone extra chemical treatments could be called “synthetic”.
Needless to say, the marketing executives wet their knickers with pure delight! They realised that this meant, and still does, that the critical buzz-word “synthetic” could be printed on a can of cheap oil provided that the contents included some “hydrocracked” mineral oil, at a cost of quite literally a few pence.
So, the chemistry of “synthetics” is complex and so is the politics. The economics are very simple though.
If you like the look of a smart well-marketed can with “synthetic” printed on it, fair enough, it will not cost you a lot; and now you know why this is the case, it’s really only a highly processed mineral oil.
But, if you drive a high performance or modified car, and you intend to keep it for several years, and maybe do the odd “track day” or “1/4 mile”, then you need a genuine Ester/PAO (Poly Alpha Olefin) synthetic oil.
These oils cost more money to buy, because they cost a lot more money to make.
Very simply, you always get what you pay for, cheap oils contain cheap ingredients, what did you expect!
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RE: Oil – You get what you pay for!
Is Total QUARTZ 9000 5W-40 one of the said cheap oils? or is it fully synth?
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See you are from the SW... where abouts?
I take it Castrol RS, Mobil 1 etc are genuine synthetics?
I take it Castrol RS, Mobil 1 etc are genuine synthetics?
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RE: Oil – You get what you pay for!
an interesting read, thank you oilman
I've been thining about Oil recently actually. Primarily, what grade i should be using. I know there have been many many posts and discussions regarding this in the past and i will dig deeper and read through them again later, but for normal but sometimes 'spirited' driving, in what looks like its going to be a pretty warm british summer, what would the rest of you guys be running oil wise?

I've been thining about Oil recently actually. Primarily, what grade i should be using. I know there have been many many posts and discussions regarding this in the past and i will dig deeper and read through them again later, but for normal but sometimes 'spirited' driving, in what looks like its going to be a pretty warm british summer, what would the rest of you guys be running oil wise?
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RE: Oil – You get what you pay for!
Quantum Synta Gold 5W-40 is my preference. Used it in my S4 also.
Dave
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Redruth or "Rare-Druth" as it's known. I think oilmans based that way as thats the phone code. Not a prowler just used to go windsurfing at Stithians Lake which is same area. On topic, also use synta gold.
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I've been using millers 10/60 . here is the spec .
http://www.millersoils.net/1_Millers_fr ... RSPORT.htm
http://www.millersoils.net/1_Millers_fr ... RSPORT.htm
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RE: Oil – You get what you pay for!
Here they call the good stuff 'full synthetic'. I've used mobil 1 0-40 and motul e-tech 0-40. Some say some oils are more prone to lifter tapping but it might just be that that oil has more washing ingredients and the smudge just started moving --> a bit stuck lifters. Oils are supposed to keep the <beep> out of the engine and thats why we change oil regularly. If the oil is clean after 5000km it's not doing it job IMO.
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