RS4 B5 running too rich

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RS4 B5 running too rich

Post by MK » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:02 pm

Hello everyone!

The problem is that our RS4 B5 is running so rich as rear bumper gets black after few pulls and it smells very gasoline like@idle ;)

It also has very unfriendly L/100km figures, almost 25L+ per 100km when cruising at 100km/h.

Checked our MAF / O2 readings with VAG.COM  , then compared to friends RS4 B5 readings  and  this is what we came up with:

MAF readings @idle@90C – both cars have the same readings  ~4.5 g/s , so it seems MAF sensor is in working condition.

IAT readings @idle@90C – both cars have the same readings  ~40C , so it seems IAT sensor is in working condition.

Here comes the nightmare:

Pre cat o2 readings @idle@90C (our car) = 0.815 - 0.87V , never goes lower than 0.8V (too damn rich);

Pre cat o2 readings @idle@90C (friend’s car) = fluctuates between 0.1V-0.6V (normal situation for narrow band o2 sensor showing stoich air-fuel I suppose)

Group 033 O2 sensor  Diag status readings @idle@90C (our car) = 0% , never ever changes.

Group 033 O2 sensor Diag status readings @idle@90C (friend’s car) = fluctuates between -2.3% and 0.8%

Group 078 Air mass (g/s) sec.air.inj.   @idle@90C (our car) = -100% , never ever changes.

Group 078 Air mass (g/s) sec.air.inj.   @idle@90C (friend’s car) = -3.1% , never ever changes.

Thermostat and CLT sensor were replaced with OEM new ones few weeks ago.

Engine does not throw any “fuel trim too rich” or “o2 sensor problem” codes, everything is clean even after driving 200km+ trip….

All the coil plugs are black and dirty after inspection.

Haven’t checked  the fuel pressure in the rail (as it’s too time consuming to install T-fitting with gauge), but have never heard of FPR’s to go bad. I could replace it with other 4BAR FPR for testing purposes.

Any suggestions?

P.S. Please don’t blame tune as our car was running great (10l/100km cruiser) with exactly the same tune before.
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Re: RS4 B5 running too rich

Post by MK » Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:23 am

Replaced o2 sensors last evening, still same readings. I am in no way an expert in motronic stuff, but it seems like the car is still in warmup mode even the temps have reached 90C.
Audi RS4 Daytona grey w/ 2x RS6/TTS hybrids, 8.5:1 CR, front mount IC with 2xinlets&2xoutlets, SPEC Stage 5 feramic clutch, 2 x 3in DP's, 2x 3in Aeroturbine res, 3.5in cutout, 790cc inj's,MOVIT 380mm f/brakes,Porsche 911 GT2 6-piston calipers....
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Re: RS4 B5 running too rich

Post by chunky79 » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:13 pm

You might be better off asking on audisrs mate, that site is full of b5 owners.
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